The question was “do you feel safer”? You don’t have to hate Clinton to recognize that during his tenure attacks and other warning signs indicated an increasing threat. (Was Moore asking his question then?) Instead of taking action we built walls of political correctness between our intelligence organizations. It was not Clinton’s fault, it was the zeitgeist, almost everyone was asleep. This pre-9/11 zeitgeist is what Gore and Kerry and Moore still fantasize was working and could still work. If only we were nicer to the terrorists.

After 9/11 we have taken steps, against the protestations of Gore, Kerry, and Moore, that have made us safer. Rather than acknowledge this they pretend they don’t see it, and find other long-standing problems (atmospheric CO2, hurricanes, Iran, Korea) to whine about as if they’re new.

Our foreign policy is not responsible for the Jihadis. To say it is is like blaming someone walking down the street for the mugger who attacks them. It doesn’t matter if the muggee is careless or wearing jewelry, or the mugger is angry and has nothing, or for that matter if the muggee earlier sold a gun to the mugger.

Kerry (& possibly Gore) want US military actions to pass a “global test”. They say nothing about it being “before” the action is taken, although they did prefer engaging the world powers to form a coalition prior to the Iraq invasion ala Afghanistan.

Kerry and the Clinton policies are similar in that they both believe the best way to fight the terrorists is by following the same methods the criminal justice system follows with identification and evidence gathering and where necessary employ black ops to take them out (i.e., Clinton’s empty tent and aspirin factory assaults).

The following site summarizes Clinton Era activities on the war before the war on terror. You will need to scroll thru the blog responses to see the entire chronlogy. Its pretty thorough from 92 thru 2000 but does state it is a work in progress.

http://fredtalk.fredericksburg.com/showflat.php?Number=569499

On Gitmo et al, you are probably right. I believe Gore would have invaded Afghanistan or supported a Northern Alliance uprising, bin Laden would have fled to western Pakistan (different leadership, same result) and Taliban detainees would have been held, interrogated, released to the new Afghan government, interrogated again and summarily executed. Looks like Bush holds the moral high ground on this one.

Tit for tat is fair because instead of not gracing Mooronic remarks with a response, you chose to respond with speculations of how the world would be without Bush. Had you left your response to your last statement “So a letter…” you would have had my fullest support instead of my support with criticism.

Nobody needs a magic 8-ball to know that Gore and Kerry blame the US for 9/11, want the US to pass a “global test” before using its military, consider terrorist attacks a criminal justice issue, and even if the perpetrators were eventually captured and convicted they would close Gitmo or any other place we lock them up.

That’s certainly a more realistic and literal understanding of their own statements than Moore or his sound-alikes accord Bush. Dismissing my comments as divisive tit-for-tat may be convenient but it’s hardly fair.

Deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al Qaeda who hide in your land. (Applause.) Release all foreign nationals, including American citizens, you have unjustly imprisoned. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers in your country. Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, and hand over every terrorist, and every person in their support structure, to appropriate authorities. (Applause.) Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating.

07 Oct 2001 Declaration of War

The Taliban was in the crosshairs even if Dennis Kucinich were president. OK, maybe not then, although he voted Aye on 14 Sept.

So you can swap pineapples for potato-mashers. Why re-right history? Moore completely loses credibility with the “self-affixed label” remark.

The Bush preparedness record is poor at best. We continue to have holes in our defense and our “best defense is a pre-emptive offense” approach has put us in a quandary. (The quandary being how do we pre-empt the “Axis of Evil”-and-then-some at once without international support).

Now the real lesson of Katrina is about to unfold. How can we possibly promise to rebuild NO to its fullest grandeur? OK, we have the technology, we can rebuild her – but its gonna cost a little more than $6 million dollars – and I offer the following – has the national hurricaine center done a scenario of back to back Category 4’s striking the same general vicinity in the same season and what NO would need to prepare for that? Dont look now, here comes Rita.

Here is your trillion dollar leadership decision. Every dollar spent on NO is a dollar not available for the war on terror and homeland security.