Im sure thats what the jihadi are saying about the infidels.

“Divisive” because they demonize even those who share their goals (to reduce suffering and death) if they do not agree on methods (surrender) or message (we are the bad guys).

“Defeatist” because they advocate unilateral withdrawal is spite of the clear evidence it will not achieve their goals.

“Poseurs For Peace” because many, including the organizers (ANSWER) and prominent leaders, are not pacifists and not peaceable. Their signs and slogans are filled with hate and rage.

It is possible we are misunderstanding their goals. If the goal is to save lives then the details of any US action in Iraq, including withdrawal, are critical. But their overwhelming sentiment is “just get out now”. They don’t want ot debate the consequences and do not acknowledge them.

For a group so eager to ape and repeat the template of Vietnam they seem not at all aware of the holocaust that followed US withdrawal from southeast Asia.

How many trillions will we spend? For some reason the hypothetical always seems cheaper than our messy reality. How can anybody say with certainty that pulling out of Iraq is going to be cheaper? Was it cheaper for us because we pulled out of Lebanon or Mogadishu? Was it cheaper because we didn’t finish off Saddam in 1991?

We’re already fighting them here, and it will certainly get worse no matter who is in office or what their foreign policy is. In the meantime, giving the jihadi-inclined a more convenient place to die seems like a good idea.

Are they saying pacificism and isolationism? Are they suggesting an Afghan pullout?

Although they may seem as oxy moronic as say abortion-clinic bombers, defusing the Iraq bomb is at best a quagmire. Unless there is a complete committment of a half million (US) boots on the ground – minimum – combined with international involvement and dare I say negotiating with the insurgents (non-Al Queada) and the dreaded Crescent of Evil (Iran and Syria) – the quagmire is going to be a running bloodbath.

How many lives and trillions of dollars need to be wasted? Either commit or get the fucout… If you are going to dream this will get done on the cheap or with limited US involvement – then lets just get out before we lose more US servicemen, US taxpayer dollars, US diplomatic strength and Iraqi lives.

Anyone that thinks this is different than the USSR vs Afghanistan on the basis that we supplied the Afghan “freedom fighters” better take a long look at how well supplied the opposition is in Iraq.

Anyone who thinks we need to “fight ’em there so we dont have to fight ’em here” better sign up for the border patrol. The only thing I can think of that has stopped them from fighting here is their infatuation with outdoing 9/11. Thank Allah for their arrogance (and stupidity).