Comments on: Invasion Evasion /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/ Politics + Technology = Nonsense at the Speed of Light Tue, 01 Sep 2026 03:05:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: flippityflopitty /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-510 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:00:00 +0000 /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-510 There are jobs illegals do that americans wont – thats one of the reasons why we have legal immigration.

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By: phactoid /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-488 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:46:00 +0000 /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-488 This is for Jeanie Meyers,

Demanding that our laws be enforced does not make a person racist.

I’m sure your father came here legally, as did my relatives who came from Canada. So what? Irrelevant. We’re talking about criminals, they came and come in violation of our laws. We have every right to expect our laws to be respected and enforced. Those who violate our laws and come illegally have the same opportunity as everyone else in the world to apply to be US citizens. They had that right before they came and after. They choose not to.

Why don’t you compare that fact to your father’s legal immigration? He chose to respect the law. He followed the law as everyone else in the world did who wanted to be a US citizen. Those who chose not to come here legally and by their choice continue to break the law could apply to be US citizens. It’s their choice that they do not.

“laugh out loud” at the argument that illegals are stealing US jobs. It’s not funny. I personally know American citizen teachers that have lost their jobs because of illegals in the schools. I’m sure there are many other Americans who have lost their jobs to invaders that I don’t know about.

But the simple fact that employers don’t want to pay a fair wage and would rather have a slave class of illegals to which they pay a pittance, means Americans have lost jobs. The hogwash that illegals “do jobs Americans can’t or won’t do” is a lie and it’s racist. It’s a lie because Americans did do those jobs for minimum wage before the illegals came and they will do them after they are gone. It’s racist because to say that Americans “won’t or can’t” do those jobs is to say that the brown man is superior. White, Black, Yellow Americans are just as hard working and willing to work.

As for who’s more likely to “end up at the wrong end of gun/nightstick/taser/jail sentence,” did you ever stop to think that the reasons we have so many of the illegals in jail is because: (1) they came here illegally; (2) they have not been screened in any way, so many of them are criminals in their own country; (3) they came in not respecting our laws, so they continue to break them once they are here. Did your legal immigrant dad do any of this? Probably not. Gee why? Maybe because he immigrated legally, he was screened, he respected our laws? Just as my relatives that came from Canada did. And you know what? Gee whiz? They didn’t commit crimes when they got here. Imagine that.

But the truly scary fact is that it is becoming far more likely that it will be white Americans at the wrong end of guns/taser/jail.

Please go watch http://youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM
on youtube.com. Copy and paste it into your browser. The video is called Atzlan Rising. It is short but informative. It contains prominent La Raza and MeCHa leaders promoting the ethnic cleaning of white america.

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By: Tanstaafl /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-486 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:07:00 +0000 /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-486 Anonymous, the only reason I do this is to vent. I’m not looking for fame or fortune. At best I hope to inform my friends, and perhaps find a few new ones. I don’t have any illusions that my abilities extend beyond that.

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By: Tanstaafl /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-485 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:53:00 +0000 /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-485 Your argument amounts to A) your dad is an immigrant and B) you think immigrants benefit our economy.

A is irrelevant. Or, worse, is just another reason that immigrants are dangerous. For several generations their offspring tend to advocate for even more immigration. They tend to get offended just because someone doesn’t think immigration and immigrants are wonderful.

B is false.

First of all you seem to think every one of them works. They don’t. The invaders are poorer, less educated, and less skilled than the average American. So even if they all did work I don’t see how they could be making America better. You don’t a bunch of below average anything to anything and make the whole better.

I’ll have to ask you to explain in detail how it is you think that their sending money to Mexico makes America better.

The labor is cheap, for the employers. Especially since so much of it is off the books. That certainly screws those of us who pay taxes. Plenty of Americans are losing their jobs. Some because they won’t work for third world pay, some because they don’t speak the Spanish you find so harmless.

What about the social costs? What is the cost of half the people in a country not understanding what the other half is saying? What is the cost of many of us learning two or more languages? When more Chinese come will you start to see the problem? Many of the invaders aren’t even literate in Spanish, what’s the cost of that? What is the cost of my sleepy little American town being turned into a mini Tijuana-like slum? Who is that benefiting? It certainly isn’t helping me or my family.

I didn’t ask these people to come here. They came anyway, in violation of our laws. They don’t seem to care much about the law. Lots and lots of them are walking the streets in the middle of the work day. They’re obviously not all working. I don’t want them here. I don’t want to share the road with them, or pay for their WIC, or their healthcare, or to educate their kids. I don’t want to live in fear of their violent gangs. I don’t feel particularly enriched by them.

I also don’t appreciate the reconquista philosophy. I see it at every immigration demonstration. It’s downright unfriendly to the people they call Pilgrims when they say this is “stolen land” and that we should all go back to Europe. Don’t you think?

So yes, I see what’s happening as an invasion, and they are invaders. They are trying to take what belongs in part to me and my children. And just because they have friends in high places doesn’t make it right. And just because some people don’t see any problems doesn’t mean there aren’t any.

And by the way, I do have a problem with their skin color. It isn’t the same as mine. That seems to bother them too. I never used to think skin color made much of a difference to me before, but then a lot of people started calling me a racist, apparently just because of my skin color. Then I found out about La Raza, and how proud The Race is about their bronze skin. And I heard that they call people like me blue-eyed devil and guero. And they don’t mean it in a nice way. You might want to look into that. You might find yourself wondering what your race means to you. Unless of course you’re something other than white, in which case you’ve always been allowed to be proud of your race and can criticize whoever you want without being called a racist. Or maybe you’re one of those whites who thinks it’s racist for a white to even say “white”.

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By: Jeanie Meyers /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-483 Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:27:00 +0000 /2007/09/06/invasion-evasion/#comment-483 What I’m trying to figure out is where your hostility toward immigrants comes from. Is it their language? Their culture? Their skin color? What is it?

I’ve heard some people gripe about language, but really, Americans would do well to learn multiple languages. Most of the industrialized world focuses heavily on learning a second language, and I can see the benefits: a better ability to communicate, understanding of foreign cultures, an expansion of one’s own mental capacities. So surely, it’s not Spanish that makes the immigrants so deplorable.

Is it their culture? Are sombreros and pinatas so offensive to you? Please, remember that california, nevada, texas, arizona, and really a pretty large chunk of U.S. land used to be part of Mexico…until we took it over through force of arms. It’s only natural that some of that culture transfer over to the conquerors. Hence the popularity of Taco Bell.

Or is it possibly their skin color? That explanation seems most likely, though you never mention it. You refer to immigrants as “invaders,” a word which conjures up images of guys putting people to the sword and torching houses. Yet, based on the life expectancy rates and prison populations, I’d say it’s much more likely that Latinos are going to be at the wrong end of a gun/nightstick/taser/jail sentence.

Thing is, my dad is an immigrant. He came over to Canada from Holland when he was 9, and into America in his teens…he had a long and productive career, and is now retired. If you try to tell me he somehow weakened America, or *stole* his job, I’ll laugh out loud.

And that brings me to the most cohesive point anti-immigrationists are likely to bring up: that immigrants somehow weaken our economy by stealing jobs and sending money home to Mexico….

An immigrant who comes into our country and works for a living will only *strengthen* our economy. Employers pay wages for labor…but they won’t pay *more* than the labor is worth. If they did, they’d go out of business. Therefore, an immigrant who sends home every dollar to Mexico will still strengthen our economy, because his labor is worth *more* than his wages. He can’t possibly subtract from the economy.

And of course, no one does send home every dollar….they’ve got to pay for housing, transportation, food, entertainment….so naturally, an immigrant will make our economy *stronger* through his/her efforts.

I believe I’ve laid forth a pretty solid pro-immigration argument. I’m looking forward to you response.

luv,
Jeanie

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