Comments on: Something Unspeakable This Way Comes /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/ Politics + Technology = Nonsense at the Speed of Light Tue, 01 Sep 2026 03:05:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: ben tillman /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1183 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:12:00 +0000 /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1183 As I see it, the only argument one may have is that yes, Jews have disproportionably followed Leftist ideas, but to the extent that these ideas are ruining the West, this did not take place because Jews are so genetically inclined (as Prof. Macdonald proposes).

Actually, he proposes no such thing.

Rather, they were susceptible to propaganda which, ultimately, was also used against Whites….

Propaganda emanating from what source, for what purpose? This sort of apologia makes no sense.

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By: Tanstaafl /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1165 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:55:00 +0000 /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1165 I have read enough history to know that jews are not so much susceptible to collectivist leftist-liberalism as they are it’s source, it’s torch bearers through the ages. And proud of it. Whether or not it is good for jews is your concern, not mine. Likewise Sontag, Ignatiev, SPLC, and all the other secular jews gnawing away at the foundations of Western civilization. The reason I oppose what they’re doing is because it harms me, my family, and other Whites.

It is less important to me to know precisely why they harm Whites as it is to recognize, denounce, and stop them from doing so.

You seem to realize all this but still can’t help trying to tell me what I can and can’t think. Shove it.

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By: Some Israeli /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1120 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:07:00 +0000 /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1120 Tanstaafl,

Listen, I have no time to lecture to you about the full history of the Jews in the last 120 years (this is the period in which Jews came to prominence in the West. I will not have a discussion with anyone who thinks, for example, Jews controlled Oliver Cromwell. This is just too stupid), so it’s a question of you taking my word for it: I am not denying that, by and large, Jews were more susceptible to the siren-song of Left-wing liberalism which, as Laurence Auster so correctly explains, has spawned the current suicidal creed of Ethno-Marxism. I maintain however that in this they were duped by a minority who used the “survival of the tribe” argument very well. Notwithstanding the persecution Jews suffered during the generations, convincing large swaths of the “tribe” in the correctness of this approach was like taking candies from a child. I further maintain this was not done with a view to benefit Jews as a whole but to promote the (ultimately) insane ideology of these people. My proof is that the same ideology, which is the ideology of the ruling establishment in Israel (FYI, Ariel Sharon and the Likud party, the favourite targets of all Paleo-Conservatives in the US are, in my eyes, centre-Left), is leading to the certain destruction of the only Jewish state. Please think on this for a moment: a “divide and rule” tactic is used with the sole aim of dividing your enemy, not your OWN people.

I am very, very glad, you mentioned that harpy Sontag, the same Sontag who, in 2000 and in the midst of suicide bombers wreaking havoc on the buses and the shopping malls of Israel, had the temerity of telling Israelis they should not do anything to stop the carnage, and simply capitulate to all of Arafat and his cronies’ demands. In case you do not understand: she expected Israel to commit suicide to please the “Other” well, because the Other is always right. She was making no difference between the fate she had in mind for her fellow Jews and that she has in mind for Whites in America.

Tanstaafl, if you think a Feminist Sontag, an old Maoist like Ignatiev or the SPLC (plague on their heads all) care about Jews, you have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. These people are nominally Jews, but in fact, they hate classical Jewish beliefs with passion and as much as they loath the classical Western culture.

As I see it, the only argument one may have is that yes, Jews have disproportionably followed Leftist ideas, but to the extent that these ideas are ruining the West, this did not take place because Jews are so genetically inclined (as Prof. Macdonald proposes). Rather, they were susceptible to propaganda which, ultimately, was also used against Whites in the US (I am leaving the EU for another day, because I do not think the same conditions prevailed here at all).

I am waiting to see how you propose a solution to this problem which does not involve following the same route taken by A. Hitler. FYI, I too have a position on this but I will wait until I hear what your thoughts are.

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By: Tanstaafl /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1096 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:08:00 +0000 /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1096 Some Israeli,

1. The Jews in question acted not for the “tribe” but for their own ideological reasons (they were very good in obtaining support from many of their co-religionists by making sure no one forgot the closing of the gates during the 1920s and the 1930s), namely, the destruction of the West from within.

They most certainly do act for the benefit of their group. Both those who want the borders open so that jews from anywhere can enter, and also those who do not like a White Christian majority (quoted in the original post), ostentiably because the goyim might at any moment lose their collective mind and suddenly start oppressing jews – for no reason at all of course. Note that I use the present tense because jewish advocacy for open borders has not diminished. Perhaps half of it will as the White Christian majority is reduced to a minority.

2. You conveniently forget that those leftist Jews were not alone, or even the most influential. Antonio Gramsci was no more a Jewish puppet than Robert Kennedy, and those are just two. In this, you are not being honest. You also fail to mention prominent right wing, patriotic Jews

Yes, let’s be honest and admit that jews are not the only liberals, but they are grossly overrepresented. Let’s be honest and admit that much of what we call liberalism today – especially the multiculturalism, race-denial, identity politics, feminism – are monolithic jewish priorities, founded, funded, and proselytized in large part by jews. Let’s be really honest and admit that you will never hear that said in any major newspaper, TV channel, or movie in the US. Saying it in many European countries would be a crime. Can you be that honest?

Most Jews were not involved in this.

Again, let’s be honest. The point is not absolute numbers or even the proportion of jews, it’s a question of proportion and power relative to everyone else. Considering their own morals and hypersensitivity to genocide I expect the majority of jews to be more sympathetic to the plight of Whites than they appear to be. Instead most are indifferent, or worse. When Susan Sontag said “the white race is the cancer of human history” why did jewish leaders and ordinary folk alike not overwhelmingly repudiate her? Why was she not banished forever from “polite society” as people who say even less extreme things about jews are?

Likewise Noel “Keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed” Ignatiev. He’s still alive and spewing his hate but the SPLC hasn’t even noticed him, much less brought suit to silence him.

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By: Some Israeli /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1093 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:51:00 +0000 /2008/01/22/something-unspeakable-this-way-comes/#comment-1093 Tanstaafl sasked:

“In what ways do you think jews have harmed Whites, and what do you think jews should do about it?”

If you expect me to deny the bad things certain Jews have promoted, such as the Immigration Act 1965, and the disproportionate amount of leftist Jews involved in this, I have to disappoint you. This is all too well documented to be denied by any honest person. However, where we depart is as follows:

1. The Jews in question acted not for the “tribe” but for their own ideological reasons (they were very good in obtaining support from many of their co-religionists by making sure no one forgot the closing of the gates during the 1920s and the 1930s), namely, the destruction of the West from within. This was never a Jewish strategy and only became possible because of:

– The rise of the ideas of Socialism and Communism which were by no means latched unto by Jews exclusively (don’t start mentioning Marx, please. He was as Jewish as Chomski. Moreover, his ideology was merely the logical conclusion of the ideas of the French revolution).
– Adolf Hitler, who, by taking to extreme things which were accepted as the normal results of ethnic conflict, ensured that those who wished to castrate the West (Jews and Gentiles) obtained respectfulness – even if their ideas were just as crazy as Hitler’s (but in the other direction).

2. You conveniently forget that those leftist Jews were not alone, or even the most influential. Antonio Gramsci was no more a Jewish puppet than Robert Kennedy, and those are just two. In this, you are not being honest. You also fail to mention prominent right wing, patriotic Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_Rickover or http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/ I have many more examples). Your portray of Jews is one sided and – although you may say I am patronizing – is counterproductive to your cause.

3. Again, in connection with the previous point, if Jews had any influence, this was more in the US than anywhere else. To the poster who thinks the US forces and NATO were created to defend Jew –promoted multiculturalism, well, it was not the Jew-controlled US who made the Germans, the Austrians, the French and the English to invite hordes of Turks, Arabs and Pakistanis into their countries.

Most Jews were not involved in this. They, just like everyone else, got along with living their lives, getting married, were having children and so on. To the extent that they supported these ideologues, they were (and are) in my opinion, useful idiots and dupes. They are as victims of this state of affairs as you are.

What should Jews do? Well, if you accept my thesis, my prediction is that they, just like most Gentiles, will do nothing until the horrors of diversity start hurting, which, going by the example of South Africa, will happen sooner or later. In so far as people who have woken up manage to shake them from their stuppor, the damage will be more confined. I doubt however, that your line of reasoning will have much success with any Jews.

Lastly, as for Serbia, see just these two links showing, quite demonstratively, what I have said – there is no unified Jewish policy.

http://www.janes.com/defence/news/kosovo/jfr990401_02_n.shtml
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/11/israel-supports-serbia.html

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