The negation word game mentioned in Timothy Murray’s comment brings to mind E Michael Jones’ shallow argument that all White means to him is “not black”, which for me calls into question any other argument Jones makes about anything.
Googling “Hegel used Spinoza’s claim that every determination is a negation as the basis for his dialectic” returned no links to Jones, but the top hit was interesting.
Omnis determinatio est negatio”: determination, negation, and self-negation in Spinoza, Kant, and Hegel, by Yitzhak Y. Melamed.
I stopped reading a few paragraphs in, when this jew Melamed quotes jew Maimon’s claim that “the Kabbalah is nothing but expanded Spinozism”, and further, “that Spinoza is wrongly described as an ‘atheist,’ since in fact in his system only God truly exists”.
Maimon’s claims are remarkable because they fly in the face of the more common and spurious jew argument that Spinoza was no jew, or at least not a good jew. Indeed, Maimon makes the kind of claims of responsibility I referred to in The Enlightenment: Good for Whom?. These are admissions that bolder jews make once they deem their tribe’s crimes sufficiently white-washed, or at least that the targeted goyim no longer have the will or power to strike back.
Like Marx, Spinoza ranks among the jewiest of jews exactly because he is not generally recognized as a jew, and because his impact is not generally recognized as harming Whites or benefiting jews. The jewsmedia depiction and thus the popular perception is that Spinoza was a renegade jew, a hero who helped Europeans climb out of the Dark Age. In fact Spinoza pioneered a fresh phase of more stealthy and virulent anti-White jewing called the Enlightenment, which spawned both communism and liberalism, which have now combined and mutated into the increasingly naked war on Whites now commonly euphemized as “wokeness” or “wokeism”.
Perception of a given thing’s existence comes into being when that thing is beheld in contrast to another thing, not as a result of one thing negating the existence of another thing. As a Christard Jones is logically forbidden from siding with Nietzsche’s claim that there is no truth, only interpretation.
“.. brings to mind E Michael Jones’ shallow argument that all White means to him is “not black”, which for me calls into question any other argument Jones makes about anything.”
In his debate with that American Renaissance guy, Jones was ridiculed for his “White is a category of the mind” assertion.
Its taken over a year to parse out what Jones’ meant by “Category of the Mind’ but the example of Free Willy clarified it. (he gives the example in one of his podcasts)
Willy was a killer whale that swam in circles in an 80 foot loop at his Sea World pool.
When released, Jones claims that once in the ocean, the Willy continued to swim in 80 foot loops.
The difference between the reality of the perception of reality that Willy had objective reality is what Jones means by a Category of the Mind.
It also helps to consider that science legitimately uses White to describe biological realities.but that Jones only sees White in the sense of philosophy and culture war.
Both are legitimate terms of use of the word within their respective spheres.
Jones sees the term “White” as a weapon used to limit the options of the multiplicity of Nations.
He has a point. Here is an example from about 20 years ago…
I had beloved and very short neighbors who hailed from a Caribbean island…I don’t recall which one. I was surprised when she commented on how the blacks from another Caribbean Island where horrible people. Clearly, to use the term “black” to refer to both peoples is to do a disservice to her people. In this scenario, “black” is a category of the mind.
Both ways of using the term “white” and “black” are correct and useful within their respective science.
Furthermore, Jones’ concept is useful for providing space between ourselves and “our” country. “Democrat”, “Republican”, “rule of law” , “muh constitution” are all categories of the mind . they are the 80 foot circles “our” discussions and narratives swim in.
To make any progress towards reality, these categories must be discarded.
I haven’t read your “The Enlightenment” article. I will make it a point to do so.
John Lennox, in a video with Meyer and Behe, commented that he thought we are witnessing the death of it.
As an aside, Asha Logos sees the rot from a cultural perspective, similar to that of the late Roger Scruton. The French Revolution was part of a larger jewish op….
https://gab.com/AshaLogos/posts/109581969811514744
Surely, the fiends who can and did launch such an enterprise would attack Philosophy.
Thanks for all your hard work; you have made and still are making a huge difference out here.
cordially
I recall Jones once said that he has a Nigerian godson. When letting that fucking monkey out in public Jones should be legally obliged to keep it on a leash. When at home said nigger should be kept in a cage in Jones’ basement.
PS. Jones believes that by sprinkling holy water on worthless nigger trash they will be magically transformed into humans. “Nigger” is just a category of the mind after all.
It occurs to me that Revilo P. Oliver (?) considers Christianiry to be what Jones labels a Category of the Mind.
I do not have the terminology before me, but it goues something like this,,,
“by accepting the jewish frame of the jewish book called The Bible, and the jewish god, Christians are trapped in (something, I forget the terminology) of jewish making and control”
it is a powerful argument..
Freud’s inversion of the human soul has trapped millions…and profited the jews immensely..by leaving me and much of thw West trapped in a Category of the Mind .
The currency known as the u.s. dollar, and that jew faggot and his economics are categories of the mind leaving most of the West impoverished and slaves to the jews who created these fictions.
Typing the above, it is clear that the jews are experts in creating categories of the mind.
I hope this helps.
full disclosure, I am a Catholic who , like Eusebius in ~300 (?) despises the universal plague of mankind .
cordially
I wanted to post this comment in your Enlightenment post which I read and enjoyed
comments are closed there, but I wanted to give you some secular hope.
my apologies if you already know the quote below gobsmacked me
“Byzantine civilization began when there were still some people who could read and write in Egyptian hieroglyphics; the oracle of Delphi and the Olympic games were still in existence; and the main god of worship in the east was Zeus. When Byzantium ended, the world had cannons and printing presses, and some people who witnessed the fall of Constantinople in 1453 lived to hear about Columbus’s journey to the New World. Chronologically, Byzantium spans the entire arc from antiquity to the early modern period, and its story is intertwined with that of all the major players in world history on this side of the Indus river.[5]”
1500 years is a good run and beats the enlightenment by a robust millenia plus.
Some guy named Laurent Goyenot wrote an entertaining essay that is posted on unz with the passage I quoted.
https://www.unz.com/article/byzantine-revisionism-unlocks-world-history/
I cannot discuss it as I am not competent in the field; I just thought you could derive some inspiration from it.
Once all the noise and fog is cleared away one is left with the impression that Jones is just another boomer civic nationalist in the mold of Victor Davis Hanson; it’s just that the former will mouth his distaste for the kikes whereas the latter will not. Too bad none of the two has the courage to put it all together in renouncing kikes, boomerism and civic nationalism.
Ricardo Duchesne linked his 2018 article, Steven Pinker’s Anti-Enlightenment Attack on White Identitarians.
Duchesne calls attention to Pinker providing a glaring example of how anti-White jewing works, only to set that aside and assert that Pinker is wrong about the origin and essence of The Enlightenment. Duchesne is sure Whites are “uniquely responsible” for that, developing it “for themselves” to “overcome the extremely violent age of religious wars”.
How we constantly get ourselves into wars and organize collectively only to somehow benefit non-White collectives, first and foremost jews, Duchesne does not explain.
Let’s just say that the alien infiltration and strategizing goes back farther and runs deeper than he cares to admit, and that anyone who can see jews so jewily jewing away today should consider that it probably looked and worked similarly in other times and places.
‘Let’s just say that the alien infiltration and strategizing goes back farther and runs deeper than he cares to admit, and that anyone who can see jews so jewily jewing away today should consider that it probably looked and worked similarly in other times and places.’
How very true.
Tan, do you ever anticipate a time when DNA tests (almost useless for the sephardim – no founder effect therefore no unique DNA signiture)/AI facial structure analysis/ advanced geneology/ CRISPR technology will allow Whites to sort those White people with and without Jewish ancestors into two different groups? In short do you foresee a time When real genuine Whites can using technology take back control of the White gene pool and ‘Whiten’ it by discriminating against the large group of impure Whites (those with Jewish and other non-White ancestry) say by putting limitations on thier fertility and subsidising the breeding of pure Whites and /or editing genes?
I see this as one way to produce more of a genetic/cultural distance between Whites and modern Jews and therefore reduce any kind of inborn sympathy those with Jewish ancestors who have ‘assimilated’ (I hate that word) towards religious/racial/Israeli Jews.
I suppose I am asking can the infiltration you describe be reversed somewhat by using technology and negative eugenics? Do White people not deserve thier own gene pool?
NB I am under no illusion that this is a peaceful solution to the Jewish problem in White countries just that it is the best potential peaceful solution I can think of- I understand Jews would never accept it either way.
“In the movie “Silence of the Lambs,” Hannibal Lecter refers to a quote by Marcus Aurelius when he says to Clarice Starling, “First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature?” The quote is from Book Three of “Meditations” by Marcus Aurelius, and it emphasizes the importance of understanding the essence of things.”
That scene from The Silence of the Lambs* has always intrigued me; it cuts through the crap.
“First principles, Clarice…what is this Rush Limbaugh” that sort of thing..
While I did not find the exact quote in the PDF here:
https://files.libertyfund.org/files/2133/Aurelius_1464_LFeBk.pdf
I was astounded just scanning the text by Aurelius references to the Classical Virtues of Fortitude Justice Prudence and Temperance. Aurelius was fluent in these things….as his mentions of Heraculitas (sp?) etc.
In my secular experience, I was never exposed to these things, nor was I ever taught them.
E Michael Jones writes that “The Jews had a history, they never had a philosophy” which is a very important insight..
For, to defeat us, they must defeat our philosophies first.
Like the fables (you know, all those anti-semitic tropes and blood-libels) , in our not-so-ancient past lies a wisdom greater than anything the jews have ever produced.
Who we are predates the “Enlightenment” by millenia; that is where we need to argue and debate.
I say this as a Catholic.
I enjoy skewering Protestants on their own dogmas…for the Prots (who I currently assume that Revilo P. Oliver was skewering in his works and who’s dogmas influenced his contempt) cannot think in terms that predate the Enlightenment, despite their pretensions to stewardship of Christendom.
There IS common ground there, and the clans can unite under the prinicple of subsidiarity..as proposed by Putin and Xi…to defeat his Universal Plague of Man again…and then nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.
Cordially…
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cordially
*Mankiller by Michael Mann was the better movie
Arabian sea, yes.
Discussing DNA and White Origins with Norvin Hobbs
Timothy, I haven’t seen that movie, but maybe this:
Coincidentally, this advice is similar to what I was getting at with the bit Arabian quoted:
I read something like this today:
Top Democrats rebuke Jayapal comments that Israel is a ‘racist state’ as she tries to walk them back | CNN Politics
And it makes me reflect on the jews swirling around the courts of Aurelius, Hadrian, etc, posing as Romans and Greeks while demonizing Romans and Greeks, forever screeching and slapping around the goyim monkeys too stupid to get with their program.
Natchos wrote..
“Once all the noise and fog is cleared away one is left with the impression that Jones is just another boomer civic nationalist in the mold of Victor Davis Hanson; it’s just that the former will mouth his distaste for the kikes whereas the latter will not. Too bad none of the two has the courage to put it all together in renouncing kikes, boomerism and civic nationalism.”
This is not a universal take …
a CTL-f “jew” on any VDH essay and you get zero results…do the same for any Rush Limbaugh, George Will, or ANY “american conservative” in print or media and you get zed.
Jones is Catholic, as am I.
Do a CTL-F jew on any work by jones and you get multiple hits. Sorry, you get tomes and denunciations by the Leo Frank look-alike from the adl .
The subtelty that #teambiological rejects is the universality of vice and virtue.
The error of (most of) #teamtheological is the ignorance or rejection of race…and ‘race’ is a j3w frame designed to kill reason
#teambiological rejects the body/soul distinction because within the biological framework, it is correct to do so.
I respect that consistency
Yet, this rejection rejects the pre-Christian Antiquity heritage where the classical (non-theological) virtues were articulated hy men like you and I and Marcus Arelius.
“Race is of the body, virtue is of the soul” is a quote from Fr. Chad Ripperger..a Thomist and Catholic.
I agree with this, but am troubled by the statistical realities of race (bravo #teambiological in your magnificent work)
and, yes, Jones NEVER, touches this distinction.
Hi Tan
“29. Look attentively on each particular thing you are doing; and ask yourself, if death be a terror because it deprives you of this.”
I decided in my twenties, when I had no perspective,only dark, ugly , futile experience that when I lay a-dying I would not be a liar and that I would not he one of those who pretended .
Since I have genuinley loved and loved…that is the norm..no terror can rip our joy from us.
I will add to Aurelius…
After a several decades of oppression, I was literally surprised to find myself smiling on a drive to a craft I enjoyed
I realized that a smile was my natural state; I realized that if I was not smiling, I needed to correct something.
I had a lovely chat with a nice woman at a bar I used to frequent and she affirmed it with, “You see this smile? Nobody will never take it from me”
That is how to live, that is how to die a good death.
Marcus Arelius , a man just like you and me, would approve
This common sentiment, and the commesurate virtues that underly it are embedded within us.
If the Aryans never smiled, we would not be here, we would not he fighting this war.
They did, we are.
First causes are points of disagreement; we do agree that we are having a blast as this war unfolds.
cordially
Also Norvin Hobbs is awesome.
A comment at E, Michael Jones Culture Wars regarding Iran/Persians and Islam echoes Revilo P. Oliver’s statements on Christianity as a jewish op.
“Iranian Responses to Restoring Iran’s Vision
Iranian Responses to Restoring Iran’s Vision
Jila Ansari Features
Jews invented Islam. That’s why it calls for Tasleem, meaning surrender, and penalizes anyone who leaves the religion. Islam was designed as a devotional army serving the ultimate Jewish goal of invading the great Persian empire. Much later the Jews also invented the myth of king Cyrus saving them or the myth of Purim in order to self-aggrandize and back date themselves as an ancient people, which they are not…”
I love this stuff; examine everything….world wide. *
Related, three normal dudes in t-shirts discuss Philosophy and the utter uselessness of American Evangelicals and their rise from the malevont garbage that deforned them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw5POTrwiMY&feature=youtu.be
*God, who has a viscious sense of humour., has/is let/letting the jews destroy themselves by their own devices.
The Heartland Theory, which the jespwish neocons leveraged you, me, Tan and the rest of America to implement for their ends at the expense of ours has ended up encircling the zionists by their own people’s actions. Russia, China, Syria have all defeated the Ukrainianization of their lands by the disgusting Nuland/Kagan/Kristol cabal.
Since folks here are ….materialist, darwiinans, nominalists, etc,.the reference to God will be ridiculed.
No matter, the facts stand. The jews have fscked themselves globally and unlike the rebuke of Claudius in ~50 A. D or their temple and city in ~70 AD, this reckononing will be global in scope.
The (((Cosmopolitan Elites))) are being wrecked by the cosmopolitan goyim.
Tan, thank you.
I’m left with two possibilities here: either Jones is being intellectually dishonest with regard to his take on race or he is philosophically retarded. As a Catholic I can all but guarantee you that he is some kind of Platonist yet when discussing race he comes across like a radical deconstructionist/existentialist. He can’t have it both ways and any philosophy 101 class at your local community college worth a damn should readily convince you of that.
Does Jones know what a “referent” is? Is he familiar with Aristotle’s law of identity as concerns logic? As stated above, this is either a case of dishonesty or philosophical retardation.
It is also interesting that in the Old Testament book of Ezra the Jews who returned to Israel from their exile in Babylon were ordered to divorce themselves of the foreign wives and children they had accrued. These wives and children were not offered the opportunity to convert, they were told to fuck off, period. Seems like an obvious attempt at preserving the purity of Jewish blood, doesn’t it? Is Jones such a fucking retard that he hasn’t even read the founding document of his own religion? Is he not aware that preserving ethnic purity is basically commanded by the god he professes faith in? How does importing niggers and encouraging them to breed with White women square with any of that? Just curious.
@Captainchaos
Jones book, Logos Rising, is an examination of the evolution of mankind’s thought from the sumerians, to the aryans, to the greeks, and onward. It places ourselves in a context that (((our))) culture never provided us. From his work, we can see other , more rational and beautiful contexts for thought.
When you posted this:
“Perception of a given thing’s existence comes into being when that thing is beheld in contrast to another thing, not as a result of one thing negating the existence of another thing. As a Christard Jones is logically forbidden from siding with Nietzsche’s claim that there is no truth, only interpretation.”
I was able to place it into context. Your statement appears to be Hegelian, maybe earlier, but it and your thinking has context and history. That is the value of Jones’ work. (oops, just realized that you cite Nietzche…later than Hegel…iirc)* .
His expose of Luther (another Hegelian, iirc) completely demolishes Protestantism , their errors and idiocy are direct descendants of Luther’s rebellion.
I am not the man, yet, to discuss these things in any depth, I have only come to learn that they exist. I figure 5 to 10 more reads of Jones’ book and the commensurate study may make me somewhat fluent in the issues, but I cannot now argue as the subject matter deserves.
If you want to begin to understand Jones read his book. At the least, it will give you the ammunition to destroy him….if , as you assert, he is in error.
This Cultural Marxist, David Hawkes (I have no idea who he is) appears to disagree with Jones and he calls it the most important book of the twenty-first century because of the influence it is having and will have on the minds of the men of the West. Link here:
https://culturewars.com/news/logos-rising-hawkes-review
*P.S. regarding Neitzche and no truth only interpretation , this is a very jewish way of thinking, even if Neitzche is not a jew. ~ ( p & ~p) is always and everywhere true while (p & ~p) is always and everywhere false. Throw up whatever epicycles and b.s. you wish, but I will ignore you as an irrational man who should not be listened to, just as I have learned to ignore what jews say for they cannot be trusted per The Principle of the Integral Good and their history of, and continue leverage of the lie.
Regarding the influence Jones’ book Logos Rising will have going forward,
Here are three guys, in their late 30’s and 40’s.
These men were wrecked by the ideas that permeated the America that they grew up in.
They are doing a study-cast on the book, just like what Blood Satellites does as told on Millenial Woes Milleniyule last year.
The f-bombs are glorious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw5POTrwiMY
These sorts of men are who will be on the front lines fighting the jews in these festive times.
Even if you are a Neitzichean (?sp) you will need them fighting with you.
good luck.
From @thorn at MajorityRights
“Re The Enlightenment:
The enemy within is modern liberalism, a corrosive agent carrying a very different mood and agenda than that of classical or traditional liberalism. That the modern variety is intellectually bankrupt diminishes neither its vitality nor the danger it poses. A bankrupt philosophy can reign for centuries and, when its bankruptcy becomes apparent, may well be succeeded by an even less coherent outlook. That is what is happening to us now. Modernity, the child of the Enlightenment, failed when it became apparent that the good society cannot be achieved by unaided reason.
Slouching Towards Gomorrah Modern Liberalism & American Decline
by Robert H Bork
https://www.powells.com/book/slouching-towards-gomorrah-modern-liberalism-american-decline-9780060573119”
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/news_comments/is_the_ukrainian_counter_offensive_for_bakhmut_the_counter_offensive_for_uk#c164065
@GW , the owner of Majority Rights is , in good faith, engaging with Christians
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/a_couple_of_exchanges_on_the_nature_and_meaning_of_christianitys_origin
I am convinced that common ground exists between #teambiological (to include Tan) and #teamtheological exists.
The divide and conquer reality that separates us need not exist, rather, Before St. Augustine’s fusion of Faith and Reason lies principles that Christendom embraced…the classical virtues of Fortitude, Justice, Prudence and Temperance for example predate Christianity .
Both #teambioligical and and #teamtheoligical reject and hate the inversion and subversion of Virtue.
That should prove fertile ground for a common aporoach the counter-offensive
Other philisophical and artistic, cultural grounds are ripe too.
Jones book The Dangers of Beauty has a pictoral expose of the jew weapon, “the new criticism”
I cannot converse in the field, but the reality of their evil is objective truth.
(p.s. neitzxhes no truth only opinion probably laid the intellectual groundwork for the “music” , architecture and art that assaults us today)
This is all you need to know about E. Michael Jones:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AhFcumy4BtLO/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/1PSIyHYejvvZ/
Good comment from Hollerich on that second link:
Jones is a mud-loving faggot who enjoys sucking off niggers. Fortunately I have a remedial program for boomer shitheads like him. It is called Red State secession. Boomers can be coaxed into advocating for Red State secession on the basis of protecting muh constitution and civic nationalism all the while not having to admit to anyone else, including themselves, that they are actually carrying water for the 14 Words. The object of Red State secession is to free as much people, territory and resources from ZOG’s power as can be managed. Nothing changes until White people are free from ZOG’s power; with Red State secession they will be. If Jones wants to prove that he is not a completely useless faggot he should support Red State secession.
Hi Jay
Video 2 is damning for Jones and he is absolutely wrong. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
In Catholicism, there is the same b,s. we see in secular land. Fr. Chad Ripperger has stated that ‘Race is of the body, virtue is of the soul’ which I agree with. Jones, apparently can let some biological differences , ie male and female, into his thinking but he will not/cannot let other differeces in, which is butt-ass stupid and anti-Catholic in my view.
Jones is being dogmatic , wrong and confused on this.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
That said, his book Logos Rising is a must read. It deals with the evolution of thought in man, not race.
If given the opportunity, i will try to pin him down on this.
He is on gab…https://gab.com/EMichaelJones, and does cozy.tv streams with live chat via telegram(?)
since telegram(?) requires a phone number, i will not use it, but if another opportunity arises, I will pursue it.
A good line of attack is that Fr. Ripperger quote as it affirms race as a biological reality while affirming the human soul.
Come to think of it, Jones is very comfortable talking about the lack of Logos among the Indians in India…
There is an opening there too.
A larger question is why aren’t racial differences celebrated and affirmed in Catholicism…I like Eagles, I like hummingbirds …I like donkeys, ponies and horses.
When I pasture a donkey with a horse, it cannot become a horse….For #teamtheological, why would God do differently with the different human sub-species? (I know you #teambiological folks reject God, but I am confident you see the logic of the argument given Jones’ presuppositions)
re video one…
Video one is an example of my assertions in my comment here .
http://age-of-treason.com/2023/07/04/kabbalah-is-nothing-but-expanded-spinozism/#comment-31294
cordially
“The question is: What are their motivations for their dishonesty?”
I think Jones is an ideologue on the matter of race and cannot admit to biological differences having influence on culture. To Jones’, Christ conquers that.
Taylor gives me the creeps, I suspect cowardice or paid controlled opposition.
Regarding Jones, I think his position can be destroyed using Catholic terminology, that is without resort to the ways most people here think.
I hinted at it in my distinction between hummingbirds and eagles.
You have all heard of Magic Dirt. Welcome to Jones’ Magic Culture. What’s funny is that Jones wrote a book, The Slaughter of the Cities, yet he fails to see the common element besides the jews; that is blacks.. I have not read the book, I may have to now, just to make sure I do not argue against a straw man.
Some tentative thoughts on Jones’ idea without resorting to the genetic realm..this is me just brainstorming after some light thought on the matter last night while sleeping..
—–begin brainstorming—
Just as man has differing capacities and so, is best suited and happiest in and thrives within those capacities which God gave him, so people’s which God also created at Babel* created the Nations each, have differing capacities and so is best suited and happiest in and thrives within the boundaries God delineated. Since it is clearly un-Godly to force upon a man suited to one vocation a vocation which does him ill, then, clearly, it is un-Godly to force upon people’s cultures , mores and ways which do them ill.
While it is true that one Somali , when shipped to Poland, inculcated and speaking the language can become culturally Polish , we know that when 1 million Somali are shipped to Minnesota, they do not inculturate. For Dr. Jones, who is at fault here? The Poles or the Somali’s?
We see , historically, the reversion to the mean with the removal of White people from mixed areas. South Africa is the latest example. If the blacks there where truly changed, then removing the Whites would have no effect on South Africa. This did not happen. Why not?
Replace South Africa with any major city…Detroit, Baltimore, Atlanta, Philadelphia…
In short, Jones error is asserting that race, has no bearing on culture; the only thing , in Jones’ mind having a bearing is #Logos, those habits of order and religiosity that can and clearly do change individual men and their cultures.
Finally, since God created the Nations why does Jones seek to destroy that which God created? Are they not good things, made for the good of mankind?
We know from Scripture and Tradition that God likes a multiplicity of different things–just look at bugs– that God created Hierarchy and that Hierarchy is a good thing, among the Angels, Saints, the Church , Felines. Why is mankind exempt from this ordering of the Heavens and the Earth?
Why the fluidity between groups, that Jones’ insists upon. Yes, Jones is a kind man, a smart man, an honest man, but there is a clearly a blurring of concepts on this matter that need to be remedied at least as a matter of politeness towards the good, honest, non-Christians who reject Christianity precisely because of the muddle-mindedness of many/most of them on the matter of race.
—–end brainstorming—
It will take a while, but I will pursue this.
Thanks for your patience and even-handedness.
*remember, arguing within Catholic thinking…please, no arguments on Babel. The Scholastic Philosopher tradition of learning to think and argue your opponents position on his terms is something I have adopted. I think it is wise , a matter of civility and basic human kindness.
Timothy,
Both videos are damning. All you have to do is combine the two ideas that he proposes:
1) There’s no such thing as White people, only French and English.
2) An African can become a Pole or Frenchman.
The combination of those two ideas, put into practice, would lead to the genetic annihilation of the White race. It is literal White Genocide.
Hi Jay
I agree.
Have you read my comment I linked to?
If not, please do.
“White” to you and me means the genetic makeup of White people…
Jones never thinks in genetic terms, he thinks and communicates in philosophical / cultural/ sociopolitical terms. (poorly sometimes, brilliantly othertimes)
We have two frameworks talking past each other.
To illustrate the phenomena…
in computer programming their are radically different ways of thinking.
Algol-heads (my terminology) are those computer programmers who can only think in the procedural programming idioms from Algol, C, PHP, bash….etc.
When these guys run into declarative languages like SQL, it is hilarious watching them….fingers tracing for-loops in the air…try to impose their idiom onto a foreign problem set .
Think in loops, if, then, else vs think in sets.
Never the twain can meet. The problems and languages are optimized for radically different thought patterns.
The same phenomena is before us with Jones and The biologists.
Jones has not, and probably never will learn to think genetically…genetic types will benefit from learning to comprehend the ‘language’ that jones ‘codes in’.
Why benefit?
Because we have the same enemy and joining forces is to our advantage.
jews goto is divide and conquer. break the divide, you break the conquer.
to break the divide, you must …not unite…but merely communicate across thought patterns.
p.s. to a good Artist, red is a category of the mind. the real world never has red, rather it has colors that non-artists like me call ‘red’ and the artist sees ‘french red’ , ‘german red’ ….you get the point.
cordially
Heh.
I have been considering @GW’s theory of religious faith which he posits from the grassland theory.
I just posted that I reject it in favor of DNA per your conversation with Norvin Hobbs on the topic.
As fate would have it, Vox Day is on my browsing with coffee list and his lede is just this:
https://voxday.net/2023/08/04/one-race-the-canine-race/
The graphs are spectacular.
cordially,
We do not have the same enemy and it is not to our advantage to join forces with someone who explicitly rejects the importance and validity of the White race.
Our enemy is anybody who is anti-White, and that includes anyone who tries to convince White people that race doesn’t matter, our genetic heritage doesn’t matter, that we shouldn’t be racially loyal, and that we should focus on something else instead. That makes Jones an enemy. Like other conservatives, his purpose is to set up a competitor to White tribalism/ ethnocentrism in order to move people away from our cause. They want us to focus on religion, individualism, civic nationalism, the Republican Party- pretty much anything other than being pro-White. That seems to be the goal of almost the entire political spectrum, except for us.
As pro-Whites, we should reject any person who tries to diminish the importance of the White race and protecting and preserving its gene pool. And that means rejecting E. Michael Jones.
“We do not have the same enemy ”
I disagree. Its the Jews.
“and it is not to our advantage to join forces with someone who explicitly rejects the importance and validity of the White race.”
It is to our advantage to change their minds.
To change their minds, it requires understanding how they think on their terms.
It is to our advantage to gain allies.
Why? Who the heck has been doing the dying for jewish wars for the last 150+ years?
My people.
I love them and I want this to stop.
This is not cowardice, this is not capitulation, this goes back to Aristotle (?) on the importance of definitions in any argument. It goes back to the Scholastic Philosophers who practiced the virtue of understanding their opponents arguments better than their opponents did.
It is to our advantage to turn them to the reality of genetic uniqueness and the worth of their Whiteness
Since they are Christian, (two primary types in America, Catholic and Protestant) they think in the terms of their religions.
To get them here, we have to go there. That is what I am doing.
The historical opposition of the Catholic Church to the jews is well known…read Eusebius to get a flavor of it.
Is Jones wrong in his thesis of the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit?
I think Alex makes a good point that their behaviour predates Christ. This is undoubtedly true as their own OT makes plain for those with the eyes to see it (Protestants cannot and will not see it).
I can make a case that Jones’ thesis is correct. Here is an illustration of the phenomena.
I was an American. Now I am a terrorist-threat. What changed? Not me. The context in which I live changed.
Ergo, same phenomena with the jews ~70AD
Do you accept this? Of course not. But Jones could. A protestant could.
I think it is a useful concept to hold.
The point of the two, three concepts I listed above is that these are things that relate to how Christians think.
Now if your idea of winning is to kill all the white Christians, have at it.
Also to your larger point:
“…that includes anyone who tries to convince White people that race doesn’t matter, our genetic heritage doesn’t matter, that we shouldn’t be racially loyal, and that we should focus on something else instead. …..(anything except the jews) ”
I agree with this.
cordially,
p.s. for context so that we do not start/continue talking past each other,
I am not a materialist. I am a Catholic, former Protestant, former Objectivist, former failed athiest.
I think TENS is dead; materialists have no answer for abiogenesis and that road is at its end and that the death of TENS is DNA and the information revolution.
I think the Englightenment, the basis for American political philosophy, is dead/dying and something new or old will take its place (personally, I expect the return of kings..with Putin being the first restored Tzar of Russia…take that!, jews)
Jews are a big part of the problem, but they’re not the whole thing. Jews can’t do anything on their own. Too many of us are traitors and cowards and enable them. We must address the JQ, but we also have to look in the mirror.
“To get them here, we have to go there. That is what I am doing.”
Then why are you here? This isn’t a Catholic blog. Why aren’t you trying to convince Catholics to be pro-White rather than trying to convince pro-Whites to be Catholic? They need to be more pro-White, we don’t need to be more Catholic.
“Now if your idea of winning is to kill all the white Christians, have at it.”
I never said anything of the sort, asshole. You are utterly repulsive for writing something like that. Fuck you.
“(personally, I expect the return of kings..with Putin being the first restored Tzar of Russia…take that!, jews)”
What drivel. You’re pathetic.
I’ve wasted enough time on you. Everybody reading this knows where I stand, and hopefully they won’t fall for your pseudo-intellectual spergy TradCath bullshit.
P.S. Oh and BTW, I haven’t even said anything about my religious views. I’m here to be pro-White, not proselytize for Christianity, paganism, or atheism. You’re the one using religion in a way that’s far more likely to divide than unite. So, once again, fuck you.
“Then why are you here? This isn’t a Catholic blog. ”
I admire Tan’s work. I got here via The Occidental Observer article on his work; .
He has a fine mind, examines things from first principles , looks at primary sources and judges for himself. The hook, is that he was a layman educating himself; just as I am. The clincher was him reading a seminal work by some guy named Pierce and concluding that the guy was not what people made him out to be. That is an honest mind. Also, he read the damn thing several times just to begin to understand it. That is a disciplined mind.
Because I took the same journey Tan did from Conservative Republican (Commentary magazine, the National Review, Rush Limbaugh, George Will, etc) , to cognitive dissonance to , “how did we get here” , to active enemy of the Universal Plague of Mankind .
The lesson in all of that is to pay attention to the cognitive dissonance and act on it. Our minds know something is off long before we can articulate the reasons.
“Why aren’t you trying to convince Catholics to be pro-White ”
I am. Can you not read while angry?
“rather than trying to convince pro-Whites to be Catholic? ”
‘pro-White’ and “Catholic’ are not disjoint sets; they intersect, you reside outside the intersection; deal with it
Catholics have dealt firmly with the jews throughout their history. I want that to return.
My “mission/task/endeavor” is
1. to understand the roots of that and the dogmas/tenets of it.
2. why it seemingly went away (Jones and other thinkers demonstrates it has not)
2.a I suspect something called “modernism” the same stuff that made the englightenment disaster.
3. Integrating Race as a biological reality into Christian discourse. The Catholic church fused Faith and Reason, the Protestants explicitly rejected reason (read Jones on Luther to understand what you are dealing with). Some work has been done already. The groundwork is there, synthesizing it into popular discourse has not been done.
Then
4. Why and how Protestants became ardent zionists and reflexively defend the jews .
4a. This is ahistorical, as Luther wrote a book on the jews and their lies
4b. Understand R.P. Oliver’s argument that Christianity is a jewish op; a view widely held by #teambiological (From my limited reading of Oliver, he cites protestants as examples of christian idiocy…and rightly so)
Then
6. Find common ground with #teambiological (Tan, you, others) and #teamtheological to defeat the enemy.
That is why I am here.
I have commented here addressing Tan directly to please remove my comments if they do not serve his mission or sensibilities. He did not ask me to stop commenting. If he does, I will.
Finally, Raziq(?) Kahn is an excellent model of how to behave and think (Tan did a podcast on one of his interviews on E.O. Wilson). He is polite, thorough and , given his admiration of Dawkins, a materialist.
I have never spoken to him, I don’t have his intellectual accomplishments, but I am confident he would listen and discuss on the merits (assuming he found it worth pursuing), seeking to judge my opinions from my point of view and then rigorously respond.
Another model is Lennox and Dawkins. Maybe you can live up to that.
“P.S. Oh and BTW”
I will keep that grammatical gem as my own.
PSOH&BTW
Finally, without the religious people, how do you expect to win? Whites are a global minority and the jews have weaponized migration against our lands. It is utter strategic foolishness .
Counter-posed to this void is Russia mobilizing the Slavs against the jews in the Ukraine and Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and now Niger. Putin explicitly enlists the Orthodox Christians and they are loyal to him and die for him in this war. Where are your legions?
A counter argument to what I just wrote is that racial war is coming..actually, it is here and a non-Christian state of race realism could emerge. (The protestants would protest..eff em). I would welcome this.
cordially
The false notion that Christianity used to be harder on the jews is connected to the false notion that jews used to be less powerful. Many see how pathetic the situation today is and naturally assume it could not have gotten to this point if the goyim of the past were as ignorant and pliable as they seem today. Every generation of goyim assumes this because their understanding of history is based almost entirely on the screeching of jews.
Byzantium is a fine example. Christianity didn’t protect the goyim from jew infiltration, manipulation, or exploitation. It enabled the jews to live amongst an alien host who, without the jew cover story, would have more accurately assessed and effectively excluded them. Likewise for the Greeks, Romans, and Vandals who went before Byzantium. And likewise for Islam and the Ottomans after.
Some things have changed. Technology has made communication and travel much easier. We might expect that the jews’ screechy scam, claiming persecution while they make the rules, would become less effective in the face of more goyim talking and mixing. But at the same time their “let’s you and him fight” scam creates more chaos and confusion, lending them more cover for larger depredations.
The jews long ago replaced Christianity with more effective tools to get them what they need – liberalism, marxism, humanism, globalism, feminism, open borders. Roughly speaking it’s all one form or another of emancipation, the entire point being to increase freedom of jewing.
“Catholics have dealt firmly with the jews throughout their history. I want that to return.”
No, they haven’t. Our ancestors failed. That’s why we’re in the position we’re in today. But you want to go back to the past and LARP as a Medieval priest rather than try something new. The one thing we haven’t tried is explicit Pro-White tribalism and ethnocentrism not tied up with any particular nationality or religion. White people have never fully embraced a Pan-European racial identity and collectivism. Now’s the time to do so. It may or may not work, but it certainly has a better chance than spergy TradCath faggotry. After all, your daddy EMJ doesn’t even believe in White people. Neither does your anti-White Pope.
“PSOH&BTW”
That doesn’t even make sense. There wouldn’t be an “H” there. It would be “PSO&BTW.”
“Finally, without the religious people, how do you expect to win? Whites are a global minority and the jews have weaponized migration against our lands. It is utter strategic foolishness .”
Apparently, you’re the one that has difficulty reading, not me. I guess that’s why it took you a year to understand something EMJ wrote, and why you want to read his book 5-10 more times. Maybe you’re not as smart as you think you are, or you’re just dishonest. I’ll repeat myself and maybe you’ll get it this time:
“Oh and BTW, I haven’t even said anything about my religious views. I’m here to be pro-White, not proselytize for Christianity, paganism, or atheism. You’re the one using religion in a way that’s far more likely to divide than unite.”
You are the one using religion as a wedge. You are the one focused on something that isn’t necessary to be pro-White. I accept pro-White Christians, pagans, atheists, and agnostics. You don’t. You’re either a hypocrite and a fool with zero self-awareness, or just a liar.
In a previous comment, you wrote: “To change their minds, it requires understanding how they think on their terms.” More bullshit. All you do is make assumptions about me. And the reason that you do so is clear: you want a religious argument above all else. The reason why I posted here to begin with was to show that E. Michael Jones is anti-White and subversive. At every turn, you’ve tried to turn this into a religious argument, while my focus is on persuading White people to be pro-White regardless of their religious beliefs. All you want to do is bash atheists and Protestants. You’re either intentionally trying to subvert pro-Whites, or you’re a retard.
As for being a “global minority,” so are Jews.
“Where are your legions?”
I’d rather not send White men to the slaughterhouse.
P.S. I can’t help but notice that you didn’t apologize for the malicious and disgusting comment about killing White Christians. For acting so morally superior to lowly atheists and Protestants, you certainly exhibit low character.
“Roughly speaking it’s all one form or another of emancipation, the entire point being to increase freedom of jewing.”
whole heartedly agree in the latter case.
I cannot agree or disagree on the former as I am unstudied in history. My reference points are limited and I am sure I have misconceptions
for example I assumed that the majority of the 109 countries were in Christendom .
I do know that sicut judeus non was an abject failure.
Eusebius glee at their destruction is my primary reference point.
I like constructing timelines as a way to systematically study things..I will look if one or several already exist.i
”
Some things have changed. Technology has made communication and travel much easier. We might expect that the jews’ screechy scam, claiming persecution while they make the rules, would become less effective in the face of more goyim talking and mixing. ”
I think they are at the end of the road. The world is smaller and they stand exposed.
“But at the same time their “let’s you and him fight” scam creates more chaos and confusion, lending them more cover for larger depredations.”
A possible or likely play, as they saber rattle for war with China is the migrant train…including Chinese…that “our” government (and Catholic Charities is facilitating) continues on our southern border. Michael Yon is documenting it.
tl;dr, working for war with china while abetting Chinese invasion of CONUS is just the sort of evil they enjoy fomenting. Mike is also documenting the destruction of the netherland farmers to create a tri cities end point for chinese belt road. It looks very near where the Dutch East Indies were based out of (iirc).
But, point taken. I will investigate the misconception that Christianity was hard on the jews.
Thank you again for your work
cordially
Tan
you wrote
“And it makes me reflect on the jews swirling around the courts of Aurelius, Hadrian, etc, posing as Romans and Greeks while demonizing Romans and Greeks, forever screeching and slapping around the goyim monkeys too stupid to get with their program.”*
Then wrote
“Byzantium is a fine example. Christianity didn’t protect the goyim from jew infiltration, manipulation, or exploitation. It enabled the jews to live amongst an alien host who, without the jew cover story, would have more accurately assessed and effectively excluded them. Likewise for the Greeks, Romans, and Vandals who went before Byzantium. And likewise for Islam and the Ottomans after.”
Let me get this straight…
Christianity is the cover story for the jewish conquest of the West and the Near East.
Did I summarize this correctly? And is this Oliver’s argument? Or did you derive it on your own? Or does it originate elsewhere?
Jay Dee’s vehemence makes sense when viewed through this perspective.
cordially
*Jared Kushner swirling about Trump ….it is still sickening
Jay Dee
Thanks for the measured response.
“Apparently, you’re the one that has difficulty reading, not me. I guess that’s why it took you a year to understand something EMJ wrote, and why you want to read his book 5-10 more times. Maybe you’re not as smart as you think you are, or you’re just dishonest. I’ll repeat myself and maybe you’ll get it this time”
This is true, I learn slowly. But, I do learn correctly.
“You are the one using religion as a wedge.”
Given the insight I just saw, given Tan’s expansion of Oliver’s thesis, I can see your point.
It is analogous to listening to a Freudian opine on some fine point of their “science”. Since the root is a lie, so is the branch, so what is the point.
” I accept pro-White Christians, pagans, atheists, and agnostics. You don’t. ”
This is untrue….I exclude dishonest men and women right from the gate. This includes propagandists for any of the above, including the Christians who try to proselytize me on the bus to work.
“P.S. I can’t help but notice that you didn’t apologize for the malicious and disgusting comment about killing White Christians. For acting so morally superior to lowly atheists and Protestants, you certainly exhibit low character.”
There are plenty who do, you struck me as one of them.
I will, for now, assume you are not.
I apologize for that comment, it was unwarranted and the result of me seeing something that was not there.
“White people have never fully embraced a Pan-European racial identity and collectivism. Now’s the time to do so. It may or may not work, but it certainly has a better chance than spergy TradCath faggotry. ”
An Irishman, an Italian and a Pole walk into a Baltimore neighborhood. Somebody yells, “Kill the White People!” . Who walks out alive?
Nobody.
Something like that on a global scale could “unite the clans” . I support that.
“I’d rather not send White men to the slaughterhouse.”
Me either. I am furious at what has been done to us.
Thinking a bit on this last night…
““Byzantium is a fine example. Christianity didn’t protect the goyim from jew infiltration, manipulation, or exploitation. It enabled the jews to live amongst an alien host who, without the jew cover story…..”
This is the keystone to how you guys think about Christianity.
I will have to let my mind ruminate on it for some months. “Revilo P. Oliver states that Christianity is a jewish op” has been the totality of my thinking on the matter…it was a thread to explore when it suited me. Your comment gave it context and immediacy.
Some initial thoughts from my scattershot brain…
Idea one.
Feminism
Freudianism
The Enlightenment.
Protestantism.
These are unraveling or are dead. The shelf life of the enlightenment has been < 600 years?
They are unraveling because they are in opposition to the Natural Law.
They are unraveling because they are built upon elaborate lies.
Idea two.
The jews do not hate Feminism, Freudianism, etc….
They do hate Christianity. It is an enemy to them.
Idea three.
From your perspective, discussions on the matter of the validity of the Christian religion are besides the point because they are within the bounds set by the jews. (Oliver stated as much, but it did not stick; I am not impressed with Oliver's writing, so that thread got very low priority)
Thank you for your patience. This is a large body of knowledge to navigate and identifying key concepts takes time.
Heh.
Regarding
"Roughly speaking it’s all one form or another of emancipation, the entire point being to increase freedom of jewing."
Jones sees the same thing.
"From @EMichaelJones important book #LogosRising page 86,
"The American Empire differs from its predecessors only in the sophistication of its forms of control.
Because of their expertise in moral subversion , the jews play a crucial role in administering the american empire's system of control through "liberation" which is invariably the liberation from the moral law, which invariably means slavery for any rational creature""
So, there is a sliver of agreement between you and Jones.
cordially,
One presupossition down…
A quick perusal of this list of expulsions of the jews show that Catholic expulsions of the jews are a minority.
https://ia902804.us.archive.org/24/items/TheCompleteListOfThe1030JewishExpulsionsInHumanHistory/The%20Complete%20List%20of%20the%201030%20Jewish%20Expulsions%20in%20Human%20History.pdf
But then Jones drops a counterpoint which supports my presupposition…
“Hillard wrote the foreword to the French edition of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. No Jew was ever a citizen in any European country before Napoleon emancipated them. Two hundred years of experience shows that those Catholic countries were right and Napoleon was wrong. Does anyone seriously think that Merrick Garland or Antony Blinken is capable of representing the interests of the American people?”
I do not know that this is true. If it is, I am guessing that the policy of “sicut judeais non” was in force, which while not granting citizenship, allowed them to live among Christians…again, a guess on my part.
Regardless, “sicut judeais non” is an objective failure and must be replaced with “Iudaeis non licet hic”, by either secular or Catholic authority. I will take either one.
https://gab.com/EMichaelJones/posts/110867170804505684
Thank you, Timothy. I appreciate the apology. In the heat of the moment, it’s easy to get carried away and assume malicious intentions on the part of others- especially in our movement, when people are *constantly* trying to subvert us. I think we both got carried away; that happens during debates, and when people are passionate about what they believe in. Take care.
Jay Dee
Thank you for your gracious reply.
I look forward to learning from you.
cordially
t
In one of his podcasts, Tan relates how his future father in law remarked something like, “It doesn’t get any more goy than that”
Well, it does get more goy than that, and it is a Southern man, young , red hair, red beard, paleskin…with a viral video..and a guitar that is half-breed banjo.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/11/blue-collar-anthem-oliver-anthony-rich-men-north-of-richmond/#more-249839
Some points…
1. the dogs …
2. your dollar aint shit
3. obese welfare fudge rounds
After 9/11 , Toby Keith wrote and sung a kick ass anthem of upcoming justice. Toby, like me, thought America was still America. (link below)
Michael Jennings on one of the news networks refused to play the song (did any jew controlled media play the song?)
More than anything else, that cognitive dissonance between our hunger for justice and the managed narrative funneling tipped it for me.
In hindsight, the jews mock virtue.
Star Wars begat Space Balls(?)
The 300 begat a cheap mockery
When they first gained control of the film industry they set about mocking a female star…turning her and us into a parody. ( graciousness is not their nature, contempt is ).
ergo..Toby Keith must not be heard.
To tie this back to ourselves and that song, the cognitive dissonance is over. Our cultures, our peoples are awake**
toby keith anthem
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=toby+keith+boot+up+your+ass+its+the+american+way&view=detail&mid=600418DB09EE396262C0600418DB09EE396262C0&FORM=VIRE
** America has several different White Nations in it.
The biggest obstacle to uniting the clans is Protestantism ( and modernist Catholicism).
Why?
In Huckleberry Finn, Twain had Huck decide to choose Hell over turning the negro Jim over to the authorities.
That bit of American Literature describes the Protestant moral reasoning over his immortal soul.
Huck rejected his moral teaching.
Turn the negro Jim into a jew, but now the dilemma is that naming those rich men north of Richmond is the moral line that must not be crossed on pain of Hell. Pat Robertson, Moody Radio, Doug Wilson, will all tell you that.
their word aint shit.
Asians are very,very good and so are White men.
Bach created the Circle of Fifths ( per e.m j).
This was the beginning of high classical music …
What is totally cool about the below video is the long haired , bearded Thomas Schwan playing The Well Tempered Clavier …Bach is here, today and we today are with Bach.
This is who we are.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+well+tempered+clavelier&&view=detail&mid=770C0F73569CD3C1BEA3770C0F73569CD3C1BEA3&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bwell%2Btempered%2Bclavelier%26FORM%3DHDRSC4
s
Behold a long
The collegial Jay Dees calls bullshit on my hunch that
Kings will return to the post-enlightenment.
Searches on ColchesterCollection return nothing, VNN lots of MLK and Burger King chimp outs, but no discussion on the subject of Monarchy vs whatever the hell we have today, which, btw, has been conquered by the jews.
Links for further study much appreciated.
Herein some brainstorming in opposition to “I pledge allegiance to The Republic ..” and a genetic reconstitution….
1. Descent is fundamental in the genetic sense.
2. Descent is fundamental for the legitimacy of Kings.
3. Decscent is fundamental in horse racing..
4. Nature exudes Heirarchy (the Natural Law)
5. Kings both predate and post-date the Roman Republic ..
Why is a return of the Tzar to Russia anethema ?
Give me a White King over a “rainbow republic” anyday.
cordially
t
cross posted from GuessedWorker’s Majority Rights and Gab.
Funny how when you open a door to inquiry, things start expanding from there.
I blame Tanstaafl…
The question posed by this atheist in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSLjkPfEcOg is brilliant.
If God is the uncaused first-cause, why can’t The Universe be the uncaused first cause?
The response is exactly who we are. This is who we are; this is our culture; this is our civilization.
Also, the atheist rocks.
I love this stuff.
Thank you Tan for your patience.
~20 minutes into this and it is brutal on several fronts.
https://gab.com/EMichaelJones/posts/110939540133360899/media/1
The Catholic Priests , not the jews, are oppressed by the German “prisoners” in Dachau.
The jews brought in E. Weasel and created a narrative.
Also, from earlier in the vid, Ralph Vaghaun Williams wrote a book
National Music and Other Essays:
https://www.amazon.com/National-Music-Essays-Oxford-Paperbacks/dp/0192840169/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=National+Music+and+other+essays&sr=8-1
Why do I post the latter? Its related to he Folk Tales podcast you did.
Also, I now know why Guiness Stout has a Harp on its bottles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtTAQRcx6BQ
According to Jones, the Protestants in England banned Musical Instruments and the women preserved their music by humming the tunes.
Thank you for your patience as I continue digging.
cordially
Its only taken a year or so, but I finally pinned down Jones’ “science” on “White is a category of the mind”.
It.
is.
entirely.
religious.
full.
stop.*
To understand Jones on his terms (a discipline of the Scholastic Philosophers and a virtue) is to put aside our frame of reference and to enter into the thinking of the opponent with dispassionate distance ala Joyce or MacDonald–things American Protestants cannot and will not do.
The Eureka is @52 into this video: https://gab.com/EMichaelJones/posts/110939540133360899/media/1
Jones’ “White is a category of the mind” makes itself explicit, for Jones , a Catholic is engaged in a religious war against the jews AND The only defense is the Catholic faith. “White” is no defense at all.
full.
stop.
That is the gulf.
Not science, not genetics, not culture…the Catholic Faith.
That is Jones. To understand Jones, you must understand Catholic Faith.
Which you guys do not do, and reasonably so. You are not Catholics.
To understand Jones, Think Catholic.
I see this stuff in software all the time; men like to think in certain patterns…python it looks like functional programming to me , Smalltalk is objects (kicks ass in its domain) and SQL is Sets (kicks ass in its domain) , C is procedural, Lisp (owns it all)
Only the best can change the way they think to understand the phenomena before them.
crossing from software to ontology(?) I see the same thing; most people cannot or will not cross ontological boundaries.
Now….to my larger hypothesis that an intersection of the sets of #teambiological and #teamtheological exists…
for Jones the only intersection of sets lies only in a Catholicism.
I am not Jones. But I am Catholic. (new, working on my Confirmation)..
The intersection is where Biology and Culture intersects Theology . (What Jones , ironically, calls Logos Rising. ironic, because Jones rejects Biology a-priori..an error on his part, imho)
This opens the door to the rhetorical take down of Jones, “Can a Nigerian be a Pole?”
No, should be the answer in both Biological and Theological spheres (I think I have the theological basis for it, in Catholic terms. I hope so anyway).
Why is this important?
I sincerely doubt that #teambiological has he legions to defeat the globalist jews while preserving the West*. The manpower and will to fight is in #teamtheological
Also, I want to beat the bastards up massada and kick their asses back down…with sound-effects. I am done with their shit.
Tan, thank you for your patience and hard work.
Jay Dee, a tip of the hat for your indispensable civility; it is good to smile from time to time in this war .
Changing idioms is hard work.
cordially
t
p.s. From the video, I found this nice bit of rhetorical warfare “celebrating” the jews.
https://jewishcontributions.com/
p.p.s
I will be cross-posting this onto Gab…I want to retain this line of thinking for the future.
*period. (:
**on philosophical grounds, it is evident that The West…at least since the Enlightenment is dead.
Further in to the vid I posted, the Irish Catholic woman states that “White is demeaning, a jewish invention”
It is my contention for that #teambiological to win this war, they will need that Irish Catholic to fight.
if #teambiological will not show up, #teamtheological will see it through (like Gondor in Catholic Author Tolkein’s book/movie The Lord of the Rings
)
cordially
The jones “debate” gets very complicated as at
@ ~56 minutes in at https://gab.com/EMichaelJones/posts/110939540133360899/media/1
Jones states that mass immigration is warfare. Jones experienced it Philadelphia when North and South Carolinian blacks where shipped into Irish (german?) areas and the Irish (germans?) left for the suburbs where they became “White”.
I.e. the jews abolished national identity and installed a narrative identity on the goyim of America. Which they are doing to this day.
I submit, that a valid #teambiological strategy is to ditch the narrative of our oppressors and use our own terms.
The fscking jews do this to us all. the. time. or have you not witnessed the explosion in fictional identities regarding sex ? or politics?
to #UniteTheClans we must first have clans.
Think Tolkein’s Battle of Five Armies.
cordially
@~ 58.44 in https://gab.com/EMichaelJones/posts/110939540133360899/media/1
Gemma lives in Spain, Portugal and France, and her identity is Catholic.
This is because the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is universal–i.e. Catholic.
The personal is not the general, but I concur with Gemma. I was born in America, briefly experienced freedom as a boy and now live in a budding jewish tyranny to the extent that my home is no longer America, but the Catholic church where freedom endures regardless of jewish constructs.
Beyond the dishonesty re race, Jones’ arguments are simply tedious.
Hi Tan
I will not clutter your site with them any longer.
Thank you for your patience and your work.
I have yet to read Kevin MacDonald, when I do , I may pop back in.
Like you, I have hit that “I now see the lay of the land” point where the cognitive dissonance is settled and am looking for ways to defeat the enemy and get back to the peace I new as a young American in America.
God bless.
t
This isn’t Northern Ireland in the 1970s. Nobody cares about that kind of shit anymore.
Here’s a more interesting question: if a Nazi pope ex cathedra ordered that the Jews be gassed wouldn’t all the Cathtards be duty bound to support his pronouncement?
#bantheadl
Anti-Neocon Report – Ryan Dawson
#BanTheADL with @SamParkerSenate @jakeshieldsajj also mentioned in this stream @KeithWoodsYT @Know_More_News @JFGariepy NF Jeff Blankfort also #FuckLincoln
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1699631650760769536/vid/avc1/480×270/RMgEbSxw0u2h6N03.mp4 74968017 audio/mp4
https://twitter.com/RyLiberty/status/1699637509897298047
I’ve had luck with Twitter mp4s before, modding the video/mp4 to audio/mp4 for TFeed, but this link didn’t play correctly on my iPhone, and I see now it doesn’t work on Firefox either. It does play on Chrome. Not sure why.
Hey Tan! Are you actively publishing or doing podcast commentary anywhere regarding everything happening lately? You’re still my favorite writer regarding the JP, and with everything going on, I’d tune in to hear your thoughts on current events. All the best regardless!
One has to wonder, if and when, Andrew Joyce, or another such scholar will eventually research and write a definitive book entitled: THE JEWS, A STUDY IN HUMAN PARASITISM.
Dugin commits to breaking frame with “enlightenment”
thought with his fourth political theory. First he warns of the consequences of accepting western modes of thought…
“If we adopt the Western model, sooner or later logic will lead us to choose the ideology that triumphed in the West itself ..”
This echoes R.P. Oliver’s observation regarding christians doomed to do the jews bidding. Or E. Michael Jones demonstrations of philosophical presuppositions binding our minds for good or ill.
Dugin, whose daughter was killed in an assasination attempt on him and who the once influential glenn beck labelled, “Satan”, gives a glimpse of the road forward…
“We must understand that many representatives of Western peoples are not satisfied with either the victory of liberalism or the necessity of choosing between these three political theories. Not to mention other countries and cultures — there, the Fourth Political Theory has become a slogan for the decolonization of political consciousness.
This idea has gained immense popularity, and liberals have begun to fight it with the harshest methods. Because, by proposing to go beyond the Western-centric political thinking of the modern era, I hit the mark, and this is what the ruling liberal elites fear the most. They have learned to deal with communists and nationalists, to neutralize and defeat them, even to use them for their own purposes.
But the Fourth Political Theory is a challenge they have never faced. They even denied its existence. Therefore, the Fourth Political Theory is our destiny.”
https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/we-have-more-allies-than-it-seems
I stand by my perception that Christianity is not driven by jews, although I understand your and olivers reasoning and the bloodlust of the protestant zionists attests to the power of bad ideas over mankind and the view of Oliver*. I predict the return of the Thirty Years War protestants vs Catholics as it bubbles up in America.
*I picked up Oliver’s Origins of Christianity and very early in the book, Oliver makes it clear that he is a Positivist and, therefore, while his observations are or can be good and true, his explanations of why and how will be hampered by his philosohy.
Christ used the jews as a vehicle, the argument that jews use God to enslave us is , while coherent, not convincing to me at all. Explaining why is beyond me at the moment.
Regarding MacDonald, whose A People Who Shall Dwell Alone , I doubt, strongly, that I can accept an Evolutionary Biology framework for reasoning about things..The death of TENS and the spasms of Penrose lead me to suspect that that science will change radically this century. If I was a specialist in the fied, of course I would dive in, but I am not .
Thanks again for your work.
An interesting thread via Vox Day where a commentator makes the point that various color nationalisms have all be tried a failed, something I was completely unaware of.
https://gab.com/voxday/posts/111668974458779399
cordially,