In my previous post I admitted to not really having thought much about White nationalism. I’ve now read the debate between Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor that John Savage linked. I’ll link each part here for convenience:
- Taylor vs. Sailer—Survival v. “Citizenism”
- Sailer vs. Taylor, Round II —”Citizenism” vs. White Nationalism
- “Citizenism” vs. White Nationalism: A Second Reply to Steve Sailer
- “Citizenism” vs. White Nationalism (II): Sailer Sums Up
As it turns out I had read this before, I don’t remember exactly when but probably only a few months ago when I was still unnaturally repulsed by talk of White anything.
Upon reading it now with a clearer head I see both men make sense, but I’m definitely more in agreement with Taylor. Sailer, as brave and realistic as he is on race, pins his hopes on a worldview, Citizenism, which non-Whites have clearly demonstrated they have no interest in maintaining once they wield any measure of power. Johannesburg, Los Angeles, Detroit – this is what happens when non-Whites gain control – how many more glaring examples of this inconvenient truth do Whites need?
Responding to Sailer, Taylor makes the following statement, with which I find myself in complete agreement:
Although immigration is today the greatest threat to the survival of Western Civilization on this continent, it is hardly the only threat. Every social problem—poverty, crime, illegitimacy, school failure—has a clear racial dimension that Americans refuse to recognize. There will be no honesty and no solutions until whites clear their heads of cobwebs and start thinking straight again. This will be better for everyone.
At the same time, I apologize to no one for putting my group first, just as non-whites do. Whites have a duty to their ancestors and an obligation to their children. Duty does not calculate the chances of success, as Mr. Sailer would have us do. Duty calls us to what is right.
My children deserve a country in which they can be proud of their heritage, where their culture is taken for granted, where their history is not treated like a criminal record, where they can be confident their own children will walk in the ways of their ancestors.
Indeed, all children deserve this—not just mine. This is why multi-culturalism and multi-racialism are frauds. Racial interests, like family interests, sometimes cannot be reconciled. Every people should have the right to pursue its destiny, free from the unwanted embrace of others.
Decades of post-1965 immigration mean it will not be easy to arrange this on our continent. But unless whites awake from their 50-year trance, they will be pushed aside by groups that have never lost sight of their racial interests, and never will.
No one else cares whether whites or their civilization survive. If whites do not regain the capacity to defend their interests they condemn themselves to oblivion.
The part I’ve emphasized above is my answer to Mencius Moldbug’s criticism that White nationalism is “a romantic and fictitious idealization of social reality” and that it has no hope of succeeding. I’m convinced that multiculturalism is the fictitious idealization. The cure is truth. The more, sooner, the better.
In Round II Sailer links a paper dated September 26, 2005 that I had not previously read. Written by Australian law professor Andrew Fraser it describes the unraveling of the White Australia Policy and its consequences. Fraser’s conclusion applies equally well to the situation here in the US:
Given the relentless and revolutionary assault on their historic national identity, white Australians now face a life-or-death struggle to preserve their homeland. Whether effective resistance to their displacement and dispossession can be mounted is another question. Unlike other racial, ethnic or religious groups well-equipped to practice the politics of identity, white Australians lack a strong, cohesive sense of ethnic solidarity. As a consequence, ordinary Australians favouring a moratorium on non-white immigration cannot count on effective leadership or support from their co-ethnics among political, intellectual and corporate elites. On the contrary, our still predominantly Anglo-Australian rulers are indifferent; some profit from, and others actually take pride in their active collaboration with the Third World colonization of Australia. None of the major parties, indeed, not one member of the Commonwealth Parliament, offers citizens the option of voting to defend and nurture Australia’s Anglo-European identity. The problem, in short, is clear: The Australian nation is bereft of a responsible ruling class. The solution is, in principle, no less obvious: namely, the restoration of a ruling class rooted in the reinvigorated folkways of an authentically Anglo-American civic patriotism, a ruling class re-attached to the history and destiny of its own people. Only time will tell whether and how any such constitutional reformation could take place.
Burned out husks of what were once beautiful homes and businesses are emblematic of our ruling class’ treason. The dilapidation isn’t random. The more urgently they import savages to “do the jobs Americans just won’t do”, the more quickly civilization dissolves.
Or haven’t you noticed yet?
Well said. I hate giving up the beautiful infrastructure that we built. The schools, universities, museums, hospitals, housing …
…roads, bridges, parks. Indeed. It irks me too. When the evil White man is gone it will all crumble. Just like Jburg, LA, and Detroit.
OK …
Jburg – post apartheid Bad example.
Detroit – The Great Migration (from the South) followed by the white flight of the 1960’s did less to the destruction of Detroit than the failing of the auto industry (1970s) as well as the national economic collapse – emptying the city and creating fiscal crisis.
LA – Dont disagree there. The only hope is prosperity (all boats rise with the tide).
The problem with any of these discussions is if everyone is white tomorrow – the problems dont change. There will be divisions along different lines.
It is far easier to manipulate masses with hate and divisiveness. Farrakhan, radical islam, azlatan, white nationalism/supremacy.
Keep digging, keep reading – they all have faults because ultimately they are only human.
Oh yeah – one thing doesnt change – close the friggin’ borders.
Jburg is a perfect example. You think the non-Whites who take control of the US are going to think their “oppression” was any less than apartheid? You don’t think the blacks who hollowed out Detroit still blame slavery to this day? And Latinos who haven’t been here a year already have their oppression story down pat. They built this country, Pilgrim.
Let’s stop making excuses for the behavior, ok?
So I guess poverty has no effect on a govt’s ability to maintain itself.
Joblessness too – no excuse.
Apartheid-schmapartheid?
Holocaust-schmolocaust?
Indentured servitude – whats that? There was a drought and you have no way to pay your land-lease – fuck you! sell your cow and send the kids into the mines – better luck next year.
I think you continue to fall into the broad brushstroke trap of applying problems to race. You invoke the PC double-standard of “why is whitey a racist, if blackie, jew-boy and wetbacks are racists in their own right?” and expect to completely throw out the impact that whites have had over minorities in this country and with regards to Jburg white minorities have had over black majorities. Why? Because blackie, jew-boy and wetback are racists.
What you dont recognize is that places like northern NYS is in the same predicament as Detroit and its whites as well as minorities “causing” the “crumbling”. But Im sorry maybe its the Jew-supremacists keepin’ poor whitey down.
In the previous post you provide definitions of white nationalism, supremacy et al but Im sure you would stand pat if I gave you your white-only club and restricted your upward mobility. Lets say we create white america – but wealth (in wealth I mean all wealth: property, natural resources, etc) is distributed according to geographic locations. Are you saying the new white america will “negotiate” with its neighbors to fulfill its needs? The second phase draws us into the capitalist movement which is what? – supremacy.
You drew on it – self interests. It cuts across politics, races and ideaology – fuck you – its mine! And your playing THEIR game – division and hate. The Jew MSM has programmed society, Blackie aff-action is hurting the system, wetbacks are raping and stealing. And Whitey is oppressed … they call him racist! They send the PC police and suppress his rights!
You say youre deprogramming? With what – a virus? Lets just toss out reality, call them excuses and blame blackie. Because this is America – we all start with the same opportunity… oh no, now Im hitting the liberal, multi-culturist, self-loathing lies and applying victimology. Oh dear, PC police come save me!
Is there anti-white racism? You betcha (Im in NY how could I miss it?). Do Jews on the grand scale keep to themselves (racism) – YES! How about blacks, latinos, asians, muslims, orthodox christians, russians, peruvians, japanese, icelanders, et al – YES!
Why whites? What I mean is – why stop there? Because when you drive down the block its easy to discern whites from non-whites? Because lets face it, more than half the remaining whites are not in bed with you, so why carry a torch for THEM?
Racism is lazy and stupid. Look for the real problems and find real solutions. Ask your self this – Illegal immigration isnt about brown people – or is it?
I especially hate giving up the parks! In the UK, whites are fleeing to expensive, ugly ‘exurban’ estates of boxy houses where the developers have neglected to build parks or any other facilities.
Sounds like USA 1972-2002 – urban sprawl in the UK & Ireland. If its not too late, the townships should evaluate urban planning options and strictly enforce zoning.
Im sure the developers are licking their chops.
The mention of Detroit reminds me of a poignant post entitled “Better homes and gardens” in the archives at:
detroit blog
The neighbourhood had almost been levelled – as if by a neutron bomb – apart from one house.
No one else cares whether whites or their civilization survive.
Whites have a civilization? Are you talking about Sweden? Because America’s civilization is made up of whites plus a lot of others. Not enough others that you should be terrified of genocide — white Americans being afraid of that is like Mike Tyson being afraid of facing Denis Kucinich in a boxing ring — but enough that this so-called “white civilization,” at least in America, is a figment of your imagination.
By your own testimony, Jews have had a big influence on Western civilization. Surely blacks have made some contributions as well, and the Hispanic influence is growing.
Why do you put your race before your nation? The two reasons I’ve gleaned so far are 1) everybody else does it and 2) genetics.
1 is demonstrably untrue — if you look around the world you’ll see blacks fighting blacks, asians fighting asians, and whites fighting whites. Now within a country and even across countries, races may band together as allies, but that doesn’t mean that it’s the best way to be, only a sometimes expedient one.
2 is wrongheaded for two reasons. First, what our genes “want” shouldn’t necessarily be what we want, or else you would argue that it’s right and good for men to impregnate as many girls and women as possible in their lifetimes, by force if necessary. Second, it’s only a very small part of your genome that is shared with your race but not with other races — evolutionarily speaking, a race is probably one of the least significant characteristics. Your progeny’s intelligence, height, strength, and genetic predispositions to disease and addictions are much more important, genetically speaking, than their racial makeup.
FF, yes I’m deprogramming. I used to think I was a free-thinker, above it all. I can see you’re still there. You’re still making excuses for everyone, except “Whitey” of course.
I’m under no illusions that Whites don’t have criminals and social ills of their own. All I say is, that’s more than enough for “Whitey” to have to deal with. Why should he be the beast of burden for crowds of more completely dysfunctional types? Why should any race allow another race who displays clear animosity towards them, immigrate and live amongst them? It’s suicidal.
Jewish atheist, US civilization was built by Whites. Up until 1960 the population was about 90% White, in 2000 it was about 70%, in 2005 it was 66%. The only reason that is happening is because of immigration. And there is no sane reason for us to allow these people to immigrate and destroy us.
Your point 1 is a lie. When races fight amongst themselves it’s in the absence of other threats. I look around the US and I see Jews, Latinos, Blacks, virtually everybody but Whites has a culture to be “celebrated”.
Your point 2 is a lie. Coming from a Jew, who owes his existence to ancestors who clung more tightly than any other people to point 2 also makes you a hypocrite. The “small” part of the genome where my race differs from others just happens to be the critical part that affects intelligence and personality – and I think it’s clear from history it also includes the propensity to build large functioning civilizations, or dissolve them.
Take your propaganda and disinformation elsewhere. I’m not interested in wasting any further time going in circles with disingenuous people who deny reality.
Take your propaganda and disinformation elsewhere. I’m not interested in wasting any further time going in circles with disingenuous people who deny reality.
Sorry, didn’t realize you wanted only yes-people as commenters. Blog unsubscribed.
“… I think it’s clear from history it also includes the propensity to build large functioning civilizations, or dissolve them.”
So like the Arabs? Chinese? Egyptians? Or only post-modern era civilizations count?
I make no excuses, I rely on observation and where applicable present them. Granted written history is tainted by the author, but what else do we have to analyze history?
Racism is the abomination. That means Im not just against whitey, Im against the farrakhans, sharptons, jews, chinese, et al that support racist principles.
I have this kooky idea that the constitution and the USA protect the individual taking no consideration of race. Leaving us with a grand failure of leadership – caving into special interests and – yes, racism.
You fire way too many neurons on yet another prisoner’s dilemna. By embracing your racism you justify theirs. Its a dead end. (Figuratively)
Racism is the abomination….
Racism is simply a matter of discrimination in favor of the self. In principle, it is exactly the same as “individualism”. The only difference is the relevant self.
I have this kooky idea that the constitution and the USA protect the individual taking no consideration of race.
What would be the point?
You have already argued that it is illegitimate to be concerned with one’s self-interest. That precludes your further argument regarding the best way to facilitate self-interest, whether you are talking about 300 million personal selves or one big self consisting of the American people.
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I’m under no illusions that Whites don’t have criminals and social ills of their own. All I say is, that’s more than enough for “Whitey” to have to deal with.
[NN:]
I was going to deal with this point at length in gnarly grammar, but T seems to have encapsulated its dismissal, for the Morons amongst us and counter to the propaganda of the usual suspects, quite nicely, in more or less simple declarative sentences.
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I have this kooky idea that the constitution and the USA protect the individual taking no consideration of race. Leaving us with a grand failure of leadership – caving into special interests and – yes, racism.
You fire way too many neurons on yet another prisoner’s dilemna. By embracing your racism you justify theirs. Its a dead end. (Figuratively)
[NN:]
The dilemma is unavoidable — since your “kooky idea” is just that, in theory and in practice.
Despite the pretense and general misconception to the contrary, there is no formula for what political economy calls the rightly understood interests of humanity in large populations. The notion of “human rights,” for example, is incomplete and incoherent bullshit. And the “Founding Fathers” ironically and fatuously established a republic on the model of prominently failed examples thereof (which were terminated by inevitable evolution into the Roman and Macedonian Empires.
Thus, in the context of peoples in competition, either you aspire and work to collectively dominate or you will be dominated and victimized, as history repeatedly illustrates.
But if you disagree, please produce the aforesaid remedial formula and I will immediately telephone the Nobel committees toward awarding you the prizes both for Peace and for Economics. In that event, you will be more famous than Jesus, as the true savior of mankind.
But do spare us another ludicrous “Theory of Justice,” in the attempt, please.
“Racism is simply a matter of discrimination in favor of the self. In principle, it is exactly the same as “individualism”. The only difference is the relevant self.”
No… racism is establishing a specific relevance and prejudgement based upon a single characteristic: Race. So we should de-evolve from a republic with a Bill of Rights protecting our individuality to tribal competition based on race. What happens when members within the race disagree on issues and – dare I say – agree with the counter races? Are they traitors?
BT & NN – correct me if Im wrong, are you suggesting the self is all that is important? That society (specifically, but not limited to American society) is so flawed and hopelessly directionless that the only logical and appropriate direction is to team-up with like-minded (and/or those that can be manipulated) and dominate all non-believers? Seems pretty damn sociopathic to me.
Tan – Im still waiting for a response – Is your illegal immigration rant about 20 million illegal immigrants or 20 million BROWN II’s?
Keep in mind 20 million white russians present similar problems as 20 million hispanics. If you need proof – come visit NYC again and I will walk you around to where the white II’s are.
“Why should he be the beast of burden for crowds of more completely dysfunctional types?”
I agree – he shouldnt. That’s why I support “close the borders and throw out II’s”. But we have dysfunctional types in our society regardless of race – my point is that racism wont cure that problem.
Why should any race allow another race who displays clear animosity towards them, immigrate and live amongst them? It’s suicidal.”
Logically he shouldnt – and Im guessing your point is if we become racists – only whites will want to immigrate here. Interesting proposal – but what next? NN youre the eloquent one – what is the equivalent terms to racism based upon the other factors : laziness, poverty, religion, drug use, sexual preference, general stupidity, ignorance, poor grammar – Im sure there is a slew of others that we can pre-judge our fellow humans on and begin to weed them out as well.
Sorry, didn’t realize you wanted only yes-people as commenters.
No, I prefer honest commenters. People who can put forth arguments, including and especially ones I might disagree with, but do so in good faith. As opposed for example to those who pretend they cannot see what is plain in front of everyone’s face (or see the opposite) just to distract others or amuse themselves.
No… racism is establishing a specific relevance and prejudgement based upon a single characteristic: Race. So we should de-evolve from a republic with a Bill of Rights protecting our individuality to tribal competition based on race. What happens when members within the race disagree on issues and – dare I say – agree with the counter races? Are they traitors?
I disagree with your definition of racism, but then that’s the problem with that word. It’s a liberal creation so it’s meaning is whatever they want it to be. For me “racism” is no longer the simple insult it used to be.
To me the word “racist” has two senses: 1) as a liberal slur of aggression used to intimidate and dehumanize (another liberal concept) its target. 2) a person who accepts the consequences of biology and history.
I subscribe to the latter, though I recognize the former as the common use.
Tan – Im still waiting for a response – Is your illegal immigration rant about 20 million illegal immigrants or 20 million BROWN II’s?
Keep in mind 20 million white russians present similar problems as 20 million hispanics.
Phase #1: Lock down the border and all points of entry.
Phase #2: Deport ALL illegal aliens, whatever color or origin.
Phase #3: Profit.
I’m planning a more detailed What Would I Do post. Stick around.
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BT & NN – correct me if Im wrong, are you suggesting the self is all that is important? That society (specifically, but not limited to American society) is so flawed and hopelessly directionless that the only logical and appropriate direction is to team-up with like-minded (and/or those that can be manipulated) and dominate all non-believers? Seems pretty damn sociopathic to me.
[NN:]
Yes — and it is, rather, symptomatic of the intellectual (i.e., theological and ideological) pathology of the post-Classical world that you find the common historic pattern of collective human behavior “sociopathic”.
But that’s Christian and Communist eschatology for you. The notions of the eventual Kingdom of God and the Utopia of Man as realizable arrangments among human beings who remain such have aroused false expectations of society, and insane misconceptions thereof, reflected in the various ideologies developed toward remedying that which is in the nature of organic existence itself, i.e., domination, predation, and exploitation.
So, the world will be pacified when the Christians and Communists turn it into a graveyard.
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NN, you’re the eloquent one – what is the equivalent term to “racism” based upon the other factors: laziness, poverty, religion, drug use, sexual preference, general stupidity, ignorance, poor grammar – Im sure there is a slew of others that we can pre-judge our fellow humans on and begin to weed them out as well.
[NN:]
“Class-ism”
Sorry – this post is off topic a bit…..
I’m a loyal reader of AOT’s blog but am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the specific discussion of white nationalism.
However, I am interested in the border discussions that frequently happen here.
Today, on the Glenn Beck Show, he focused the program on the border problem. His videos were so graphic and the details about what REALLY happens on the border were so shocking that I was taken aback. Glenn Beck revealed issues on his show today that the typical media would never touch.
I’m sure that the particpants of this blog may not be astounded by the information on the show but I certainly was.
I’m including several links I found as a result of his show today. I hope the readers/writers of this blog find them of interest or of use.
Glenn Beck’s site for TODAY’S show 11/30 (The Border Crisis) http://www.glennbeck.com/audio/11-30-07.shtml
A documentary about the border issue: http://www.bordermovie.com/
An article about the fact that our government is wanting to provide 1.4 billion dollars to the Mexican government for surveillance equipment.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-10-25-mexicoaid_N.htm
peace.
Thanks Katrina.
If more Americans were to learn more of what’s actually going on with immigration they would realize that “invasion” and “genocide” are not carelessly chosen words.
Those who speak out against the invasion and the genocide it brings are not crippled by ignorance or motivated by feelings of inadequacy. The truth is exactly the opposite.
When a person learns inconvenient truths as you have I hope their very next thoughts are: Why has this been hidden? Who does it benefit? What am I going to do about it?
Tan,
You know as well as I do that Hispanics are not an inferior race. What is obvious is it takes one generation to assimilate. It has been barely a generation since Reagan´s so called Amnesty. Many of the new arrivals arrived since the 90´s, so we still have a time to go.
We Hispanics are much like you Europeans. We are all Caucasian.
Tan, how many Hispanic women have you dated or been in love with or admired from afar? (me included)
Intelligence? I would venture to say my IQ is higher than many of your commenters. All the talk of inferior race is ludicrous.
Glenn Beck? Please. He and Dobbs are media zealots looking to make a name for themselves. Go to my blog now. Blumenthal and I talk of the recent misteps by both Tancredo and Dobbs. (I could go on and on by all the mis-steps by Beck but I won´t bore you now)
What is clear is we do need to secure our borders, sanction the evil employers and establish a path to citizenship for those here.. then they can assimilate within the next few years.
If you deem to limit assimilation over the next few decades, let´s do it. But please, let´s stop all of the xenophoba Dear.
Tan´s definition:
To me the word “racist” has two senses: 1) as a liberal slur of aggression used to intimidate and dehumanize (another liberal concept) its target. 2) a person who accepts the consequences of biology and history.
I subscribe to the latter, though I recognize the former as the common use.
Dee has proven to me that Hispanics, whether equal, superior, or inferior to gringos, are ethnocentric to the max and put their people above all else, certainly above any sense of Americanness. This is all I get from Dee’s posts, here and on other restrictionists’ blogs.
However, for her troubles, she won’t get called ‘racist’ whereas the rest of us will.
Q.E.D.
Dee,
Are you suggesting that because you think Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and others in the media are zealots that none of the information they present is true or correct?
Remember, the identity of the speaker is irrelevant to the validity of the argument and, in this case, the comment. All that matters in a logical argument is that the premise leads to the conclusion.
I think its more helpful to skip the ad hominem arguments and stick with the facts, the sharing of ideas, and (gasp) learning. Even folks with high IQ’s can learn!
We Hispanics are much like you Europeans. We are all Caucasian.
I’ll grant that the tippity top of Latino society has white skin. The vast majority of the population, and invaders, are mestizo and amerindian. By all evidence very few of them ever assimilate. Far more frequently they remain Ladeeenyos for generation after generation. See for example yourself, or for someone more notable, Linda “you just don’t like brown people” Chavez.
The mess the Spanish and Portugese conquistadors made in Latin America speaks for itself. Anglo- and Anglified-Americans are not responsible for it and don’t want anything to do with it or its human debris.
Tan, how many Hispanic women have you dated or been in love with or admired from afar? (me included)
Zero (-1 if you are included).
Whites have a civilization? Are you talking about Sweden? Because America’s civilization is made up of whites plus a lot of others. Not enough others that you should be terrified of genocide — white Americans being afraid of that is like Mike Tyson being afraid of facing Denis Kucinich in a boxing ring — but enough that this so-called “white civilization,” at least in America, is a figment of your imagination.
By your own testimony, Jews have had a big influence on Western civilization. Surely blacks have made some contributions as well, and the Hispanic influence is growing.
Jews and blacks can both get lost and white civilization will still go on humming. If whites disappear, blacks and mestizos aren’t going to be able to maintain a successful civilization. Jews are players to the extent that they are highly westernized. On the other hand, the clannish and all-too-Mideastern Syrian Jews of Brooklyn that Sailer recently mentioned aren’t conducive to maintaining a vibrant and open western culture. And for all the good Ashkenazic Jews have done the West scientifically, I think their cultural influence might actually be negative on the whole. (I admit I’m not settled on this point, however.)
I’m still not at all certain whether I feel more like a citizenist or a separatist, but the citizenist option is looking less attractive and less viable as time passes and minority populations grow.
“No… racism is establishing a specific relevance and prejudgement based upon a single characteristic: Race.”
Why do you equate this with some negative, liberalese connotation. It is no different than :
“a person who accepts the consequences of biology and history.”
I was born green, being green is relevant to me, you are not green so you are not relevant to me.
So in essence you are prepared to base the entire relevance and future of (your) civilization on pure chance. You were born green.
Dee – “We Hispanics are much like you Europeans. We are all Caucasian.”
One similarity Ive noted is I know a number of Mexican-Americans who frown on those with less (or no) European DNA. Its like their different races.
The system of the one world rats want one thing the mass number of whites to disappear inside a third world hell, but sad to say the europeans have been and will be always a people that will not stand as one person against evil doers and that will be the end of the white race but not all the white race by 2100 about 10 percent of this earth will be white and that 10 percent will for the most part be the rulers of the other 90 percent. but the fact is that will become 5 percent within 50 years and one percent within 100 years, meaning the death of the white race and the death of all civilzation within 200 years, sad fact is the people who are killing the white race off are the leaders of the white race and doing it for the ideals of one world and one people, and that means the end of all human beings on this good earth. Buy Guns the end of freedom is about to happen.
the evil is coming and the people of light are about to be removed and that is what the pigs want.
Dee said:
“Tan, You know as well as I do that Hispanics are not an inferior race.”
Red herring alert.
Dee said:
“What is obvious is it takes one generation to assimilate. It has been barely a generation since Reagan´s so called Amnesty. Many of the new arrivals arrived since the 90´s, so we still have a time to go.”
How was Reagan’s amnesty, “so-called.”? Did you desire even more free money and benefits?
Assimilation of one nation into another another annihilates both. Who wants that, other than iberals and people who hate the target nations? And why must Americans be forced to assimilate the foreigners as you demand? Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Your position sounds quite communist and totalitarian, actually.
“We Hispanics are much like you Europeans. We are all Caucasian.”
There is much dispute about those terms; yours is a too broad and therefore weak statement.
Dee said:
“Tan, how many Hispanic women have you dated or been in love with or admired from afar? (me included)”
“Intelligence? I would venture to say my IQ is higher than many of your commenters. All the talk of inferior race is ludicrous.”
Typical liberal argument: I am better than some of you in some things, therefore the average of my group is the same or better as the average of your group.
And thank you for displaying your superior intelligence, we understand you perfectly. You may run along and play now.
Dee, why can’t you and your kind acknowledge that Europeans are a real people, with a real heritage and history? Why does our nationhood threaten you so much? Is it because you covet what we have built for ourselves and our posterity?