Why can’t we talk about IQ?, by Jason Richwine, 9 August 2013:
The American Psychological Association (APA) tried to set the record straight in 1996 with a report written by a committee of experts. Among the specific conclusions drawn by the APA were that IQ tests reliably measure a real human trait, that ethnic differences in average IQ exist, that good tests of IQ are not culturally biased against minority groups, and that IQ is a product of both genetic inheritance and early childhood environment. Another report signed by 52 experts, entitled “Mainstream Science on Intelligence,” stated similar facts and was printed in the Wall Street Journal.
“These may be harbingers of a shift in the media’s treatment of intelligence,” an optimistic Charles Murray wrote at the time. “There is now a real chance that the press will begin to discover that it has been missing the story.”
He was wrong.
For too many people confronted with IQ issues, emotion trumps reason. Some are even angry that I never apologized for my work. I find that sentiment baffling. Apologize for stating empirical facts relevant to public policy? I could never be so craven. And apologize to whom — people who don’t like those facts? The demands for an apology illustrate the emotionalism that often governs our political discourse.
What causes so many in the media to react emotionally when it comes to IQ? Snyderman and Rothman believe it is a naturally uncomfortable topic in modern liberal democracies. The possibility of intractable differences among people does not fit easily into the worldview of journalists and other members of the intellectual class who have an aversion to inequality. The unfortunate — but all too human — reaction is to avoid seriously grappling with inconvenient truths. And I suspect the people who lash out in anger are the ones who are most internally conflicted.
But I see little value in speculating further about causes. Change is what’s needed. And the first thing for reporters, commentators, and non-experts to do is to stop demonizing public discussion of IQ differences. Stop calling names. Stop trying to get people fired. Most of all, stop making pronouncements about research without first reading the literature or consulting people who have.
This is not just about academic freedom or any one scholar’s reputation. Cognitive differences can inform our understanding of a number of policy issues — everything from education, to military recruitment, to employment discrimination to, yes, immigration. Start treating the science of mental ability seriously, and both political discourse and public policy will be better for it.
The schism runs deeper than IQ. IQ denial springs from group difference denial, i.e. race denial, which springs from jew denial. The political discourse is profoundly shaped by the anti-White/pro-jew nature of the current regime, an expression of jewish power.
Anyone who wants to do so can talk about IQ, or race, or even the jews. It depends on who they praise or attack. For decades the regime has promulgated a narrative in which race and the jews matter more than anything else. It’s a narrative in which jews are good and Whites are evil. The regime’s orwellian term for this narrative is “white privilege”.
Only those who oppose or in some way threaten the regime or it’s narrative are subject to sanction. The regime, more than anything else, is a mindset – a mindset created and driven by jews, for the benefit of jews.
Richwine must know all this. His mentor Charles Murray knows. As other former participants have put it, in order to participate you must know, even while you pretend you don’t.
While Whites have for the most part abandoned the debate on race, some are still intent on debating immigration. Trying to avoid race they focus on money or IQ instead. It’s not working. Now the debate is focused on whether Richwine is a “nazi”. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When jews have power, every dissident looks like a “nazi”.
Jewish power is rooted in denial. Denial that jews have power. Denial that jews are anti-White. Can Whites stop this denial? Yes we can.
Jews don’t feel threatened by the IQ debate because they always “prove” their “anti-racism” when they show groups averages by race that Asians top the highest scores, with Jews at the tippy top. Looking down on us laughing hysterically at us dumb White goys.
If it were possible to devise a Creativity IQ measure, all Jews and nonwhites would be separated by an extreme gap with Whites at the tippy top.
Jared Taylor has been trying the “I just don’t understand why we can’t talk about race” approach for several years, and it doesn’t seem to work (then again, nothing that any pro-white activist has done has actually worked).
I trust everyone has joined in that thread, just a comment or two to fly the flag.
Here’s the IQ “debate” in a nutshell.
iq testing is good for jews.
reporting, drawing attention to and making conclusions based upon the results is not.
Let’s not forget, though, that in the end IQ is irrelevant. If you set IQ as the standard for inclusion in the your nation you’ll have to acknowledge that you have no legitimate right to a nation based on race and culture. Which is exactly what is wrong with HBD. In the end it is just another class snobbery movement that divides whites and makes their destruction easier.
OT – seems like this is your sort of topic:
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2013/08/why-jews-and-blacks-are-not-the-enemy/
She’s quoting from a book by Robert Oculus, who used to have a blog:
“White, Christian America is rotten – and we let it rot. We let our standards slide. We abandoned our race, our culture, our creed, and our collective conscience. All the blacks and Jews in the world couldn’t have done this to us. We did it to ourselves.”
Oculus’ blog, when it was active, was a WRSA-style attempt at straddling both right-liberal antiracism and race realism (in the sense of admitting who it is that composes Chicago flash mobs).
“White privilege” does exist! Whites are privileged with a higher intelligence.
Only thing is that no human group is the culprit but nature itself.
Anonymous of 8/13/2013 06:44:00 PM,
Citizenship of a nation based on high IQ score is a new idea to me. Never heard of even Mensa trying it out. But we ought to restrict some rights based on IQ.
re: http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2013/08/why-jews-and-blacks-are-not-the-enemy/
fucking LOL
Tanstaafl can surely elocute against that drivel better than me, and with more measure and patience.
I don’t have much of an anecdotal analogy – the only thing that comes to mind is a master/commander who feels the need to give speeches simply to remind his cabin crew that they are not, in fact, tired and hungry, but the real destination is just so far away in the distance as to be beyond sight.
Laura the Thinking Housewife cemented her blogger legacy by doubling down on the claim that she would rather live in a multicultural paradise than a white ethno-state that even acknowledged a hint of foul smell when those hypothetical leaders stuck their modest-sized noses up the assholes of kikes. Why?
Plenty of “us” bag on the guy who writes the SBPDL blog. It’s obviously lower-brow and meant to appeal to a “bridge” audience, so to speak. All us us ‘here’ would like a little more of us ‘there’. Any little essence of stink that helps the prole class is a good thing, in my gay opinion.
”Let’s not forget, though, that in the end IQ is irrelevant. If you set IQ as the standard for inclusion in the your nation you’ll have to acknowledge that you have no legitimate right to a nation based on race and culture. Which is exactly what is wrong with HBD. In the end it is just another class snobbery movement that divides whites and makes their destruction easier.”
I do not think the movement hbd aims to further divide (if this is possible) white people and contribute to their extinction. You must take into account the very important role that the community hbd, has made, especially as a fuel argumentative, for pro white.
What happens is that this community is a meeting, half of amateurs, by the way, smart people who love science and specifically the biological sciences and aims to understand and replicate the knowledge of this kind, especially in a world pre Orwellian we are.
Most HBDS are more or less liberal, in the sense that they believe that Western society can be saved from impending doom, chance to pass certain measures to be taken, such as eugenics or even bioengineering.
Hbd within the community, there are many who nourish certain idolatry by Ashkenazi, I think even smart enough. Adolf Hitler said something similar. There is much diversity of opinions and points of divergence and convergence within the HBD, this is natural. But I believe most of HBD are favorable to immigration control, intellectual honesty and even, I believe that most of them are favorable resolution of the Jewish question.
The creation of ethnic states whites is very important, however, I believe that the success of modern Western civilization, which has made us so much better than other civilizations, not only gave the conservatives. I think conservatives and liberals are two groups which have contributed greatly to the success of Western Civilization and the Jews, then decided to put a spanner in this gear, making the two groups artificially irreconcilable.
The greatest weapon of the Jew is the division.
So to the Anonymous above me,
What makes you think liberals ‘contributed’ greatly in any way to Western civilization? Just because some White geniuses endorsed liberalism? First out of the Enlightenment was born liberalism, the French Revolution, and the Communist Jews.
Thinking that way is stupid. And that’s just what they want you to do. It is clear to me that ”conservatives” and ”liberals” are not the same species that occupy different niches occupation. You know that many of the greatest geniuses that humanity has ever known were ”protoliberal”,people that love individualism and with deviant behavior in conservative language. If white nationalism walk the way I think it is moving, then we have an increase of Amish people in the future, with religious tendencies and sinking deeper into the mire of anti-intellectualism. Conservatives should know that most intelligent, but really, it seems impossible to convince a good portion of the liberal movement that white is valid.
If the white race needs to survive so she needs to maintain its quality. Should be able to enter creative geniuses in white nations of the future, but there should be greater flexibility for their unusual minds.
IQist HBDist anti-White concern troll detected.
The White “genius” for going along to get along with racially destructive ideas (e.g. with a typical argument provided by Anon – you’re “stupid” to disagree with “geniuses”) is part of the problem, not the solution.
If you can’t make an argument in terms of what’s best for Whites, wholistically, Whites are right to view it as divide-and-conquer and view you as an enemy, no matter what your IQ or rationalization for your behavior is.
Well, Anon, I’ve read it from the mouths of conservatives in their writings that fundamentally they don’t oppose all lengths of change. The changing must be a walking-slow progression instead of a spring-fast run so that we can detect early on any negative effects. None of the Nazi rocket scientists had or wanted to endorse the Frankfurt School so they could have a creative imagination. WNs admire some of the traditionalism of Amish but they don’t think Henry Ford’s innovation really destroyed the world in any way.
Tanstaalf,
First I’m not white, I’m more for turkish, turkish are white to you? (Despite being full of white blood of the Iberian Peninsula).
Second, according to deny the reality will not improve things. The reality I see is that the white nations of the future, so that you guys are planning, walks to turn into large colonies Mennonite or Amish.
This is good?
Finally, there are thoughts that I have, but do not worry, I’m not an anti white, I live in one of the worst countries in the world to know clearly what is to be insane anti white.
I think there are some causal relations and some causal relationships that appear but are not. I think the white man walks even to be kinder, but what happened is that a foreign elite took power.
What we see today is an exacerbation of what was already planned. I believe that the Caucasian species goes through cycles of balancing creativity and explosions of creativity result in increased population Weird …
http://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/book-review-the-righteous-mind-why-good-people-are-divided-by-politics-and-religion-2012-by-jonathan-haidt/
Anon, do you read PressTV? It’s Iranian based. http://www.presstv.com
How bad is Jewish control in Turkey?
And the reason liberals can’t be racialists is because non-traditionalism is inseperable in the whole of its being. The two planes of their respective logic cannot interconnect whatsoever. Where do you get the idea that the racialist plans of White Nationalists will lead to regression of the 17th century practices of the Amish?
Flamethrower,
I did not say that white nationalism will inevitably lead to a format Amish community, delayed in time and low creative ability. I think the way you guys interpret things for sure, it will take them more or less this kind of community. That’s why white nationalism is so old fashioned for whites smart. I am totally in favor of white nationalism is a cause totally possible and necessary. But I think what has always made the whites better than the rest of humanity was his neurodiversity inside.
Plague Jewish only made us the favor of dividing whites and weaken precisely what made them so special. I see liberals as incomplete, from the moment they do not have a conservative population to sustain them.
Many liberals are creative, the part that I consider as the most valuable of the white community. Just the differential of whites compared to Asians.
I think you guys could try fishing laughable amount of people with these characteristics so that they can sustain their communities in the future, because if not they will be kidnapped by the Jews and work for them.
Anyway, I’m just giving hints, but it seems that the vast majority of white liberals are irreconcilable with the white cause. No more, I hope part of the creative white population is in favor of white nationalism and march towards it in the future.
I do not like to see a white futuristic society with strict laws regarding the behavior, you know that the vast majority of Caucasians creative geniuses suffered from mental disorders, and they would never accept a society to live with this, since you do not see in the Bible Belt or a Mennonite community. Be careful not to turn white nationalism in the same thing that egalitarianism was transformed into a totalitarian ideology and oppressive as to divergent thinking. Without it there is no intellectualism.
Anon,
White Conservatives from time to time wax with loads of moaning in screeching vainly wishes to have been born in X century and/or Y decade. Neo-Cons and the racially aware and awakened. But I’ve only seen less than 5 wanting to copy the exact model of the Amish life. I’ve seen more admiring the long maligned Mormons. Amish communities can splinter dramatically over the tiniest trivalities; from subtracting one button on their shirts to shaving beards. They’re actually like autistic conservatives. Nobody is impressed. And they don’t allow outsiders to join. Very Jewish in belonging – you have to be blood related to qualify. 6-7 fingers is a common Amish hand (e.g. very inbred).
You mentioned the Bible Belt, i.e. the American South, and maybe the Midwest too. This region hasn’t thought much innovation up like the rest of America but is a different conservatism from the Amish. But I still just want to touch on my remarks of it. Southern Nationalists make bigger fools out of themselves than other Western conservatives if the Southern Nationalist site hubs are their definite representatives. They deify all the old glorious richest slave owners of the antebellum as the ideal Southern (or should I say the more illiterate sounding ‘Southron’) and hate blacks equally as bad like the white supremascist abolitionists. And yes they despise most change/progress. And they just can’t change their minds whether to ship Dem Niggas back to Apfreka or restore the old plantation hierarchy, or do both, or genocide them all, and then do both, or just get worse with the incosistencies. Their proudest defense of Ol’ Dixie was she in 1860 was the richest in da hole wurld, and ain’t nuttin’ rong wit et. Them Yankees just can’t keep up. Rich because it was on the backs of the slaves but they often say it with silent omittance. And the typical Southern man was a half starved prole bowing to the slave owners.
We don’t want them to take the lead in the future of the White Race. And it won’t happen, because they’re A.) Too stupid in the first place and B.) The other White conservative groups have higher intellect plus advantage in their philosophies so we won’t have to worry at all.
On the point of the liberals, we could turn at least 10% of them around if we could somehow devise a plan to force them headlong into the reality of racial differences. I’ve heard a few ideas, but the typical WNs severely lacks in this thought. We moan every day logging into message boards about how much we hate white liberals living in all white neighborhoods their whole lives and not taking part in the diversity they force on non-liberal whites. Got any ideas to change this?
Flamethrower,
Yes, I hope you manage to find an intellectual elite, well, I guess you guys already have, but it is necessary to strengthen it. I talk about the” liberals” but I refer to a minority of them, the rest consists of zombies brain death, it is clear that they will not want to live in a country wholly or 99.99% white. I believe that whites are the perfect combination of disparate traits, such as high intelligence with more psychopathic personality compared to Asians. In the past, the Conservatives retained the structure of European civilization while a minority of people endowed with high creativity (and therefore at high risk of mental disorders) created and reinvented, raising European civilization to the top of all the creations of man….
Nowadays many of these people are leftists and many of them are at the top of the hierarchy of hedonistic and Judaised civilization. Unfortunately, many of them are against us, but many others may perhaps be saved. I have faith that many creative geniuses are on our side, but these people need the freedom to work, I hope that these future white societies, they have the freedom to produce and help us defeat the enemy.
Anon,
I’ve read years ago that there is a sperm bank somewhere in the world where Nobel Prize geniuses donate their sperms to freeze for the future. Maybe those “liberals” as you call them can be tricked into donating!
Your race by the way? I’m a Germanic white type. You said you were Turkish? And Non-Jew, correct? Is your complexion like this? http://hizmetnews.com/sds/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Abdallah-Mohamed-Sambi1.jpg Does Turkey have a skin based caste system like India where the lightest and brightest are at the top of they pyramid? I believe a large percentage of Iranians/Persians have a high degree of Aryan DNA. Despite the past 1000 years of regression into radical Islam. I’ve heard people talk about white Afghans before.
I believe the type of Western conservative who will prevail is going to be like a German Bismarck or a Vienna type of Austrian. The Hitler thing can get really overrated. These types never have really had a problem with techonology and science. But if of all things possible, if it turns out the sissy French come out on top, then I hope it’ll be the masculinity like they had in Naepoleon.
Flamethrower,
I learned that, well, I do not like much of this excess with respect to IQ, as being the most important thing in the world and spanning all the intelligence of a person, but anyway …
No, I’m actually a lot like the southern Europeans. I said that I look like the Turks of high caste, but not said it was a turkish, I’m latin american. One mutts, only some dogs mutts are beautiful and smart, lol.
Anon,
Fantastic. If you are Latin, then I should be able to assume you are not a Greek. Do you live in a Latin nation or in east Europe? Is expressing anti-Semitism or White Nationalism illegal in your homeland? I believe there aren’t any Amish strolling deep in the olive vineyards of the Mediterranian countryside over there? The History Channel said the Amish in Europe were genocided by the religious wars over 300 years ago. Are Gypsies a problem in your village?
American WN has too many rednecks within. Can’t organize a decent demonstration. Rarely. But several months ago we had supposedly 30,000 WNs march hard in Wash D.C. I know one source on the web, if I had a decent free language translator, of several Neo Nazi German forums of an appearance Stormfront could only dream of. Can you speak German?
Flamethrower,
I said I’m from Latin America. I’m predominantly European, but have recent racial mixing. I’m as much of Argentines and Uruguayans. Indistinguishable in appearance from a southern European, but with admission blood nonwhite recent. On the paternal line I’m almost pure Portuguese and maternal line, I’m a typical Latin mutt.
If I know I barely speak English, German imagine.
I only know
Gutten tag, Gutten nab Gutten morgen and Heil Hitler, Lol …
My advantage is that I have a strong Nordic mentality (very expansive behavior of Mediterraneos irks me and disgusts me) plus” some” eccentricity in my personality.
I hate everything and everyone, including most of my relatives. As said the Russian nineteenth century, they are mujiks, simple and fool people.
The country where I live is totally at the mercy of this psychopathy Semitic ordinary.
Well, in my country people are so foolish that they do not need a lot of pressure to stifle freedom of divergent expression, as the monsters themselves do it naturally, by its cognitive-intellectual uselessness.
Anon,
Argentina, cool. Do you know which tribe your mestizo part came from? Does Uruguay protect its indigenous tribes like Brazil? All the white people up in the states here like to claim being part Cherokee, Iroquois, Navajo, etc. American White Nationalists are divided in letting these ‘a little bit mestizo’ types of people racially join their cause, but the dominant opinion seems to say No. But there are some against the One Drop Rule.
Does Argentinan law have statues against what we call “hate speech” against nonwhites and Jews? I thank everyday the U.S. doesn’t but we have big bully groups like ADL and the SPLC watching and tracking White Nationalists in Orwellian dedication.
After Germany’s defeat in World War 2, boatloads of ex-Nazis feld to South Ameican nations. I think the majority chose Brazil but I don’t see why Argentina would be off the list. Actually whole Brazilian villages are composed of descendants of just these ex Nazi immigrants.
So the Jewish oligarcy is worse down there? As worse like in Europe?
Anon,
I have an Argentinian aspect, but I’m Brazilian.
Yes, I think that white nationalists must accept us as allies, but as belonging to the same group. Just as Italians accept the Irish as allies of cause, but it is obvious that in Europe, they are two different people with characteristics, behavior, history and distinct culture. What unites them rather than their own white race is the oppression of the white race of today.
It’s that old saying or thinking
” You only know your true friends in a time of crisis”
Brazil is a mixture of several unfortunate situations. We have the heritage of a country that was almost 50% white European and the whole structure both technically and culturally with the presence of a Jewish elite. Brazil is a country where the black and mestizo population grows rapidly, where you see black teens with children in her lap, where the white population and ”predominantly Caucasoid” exhibit the same tics leftists are individualistic and are disappearing because of interracial marriage and low fertility.
It is a country where intelligence and natural talent are not valued, but the cleverness and contacts. There is no meritocracy here and little there is demonized by the media.
With regard to the media, it is totally dominated by the leftist establishment.
Now try to push the Jews who live in slums, being a slum is a good thing. Brazilian culture was replaced by the African culture, especially made any great white man, is distorted or even mentioned at all, what you do not know, does not exist.
Crime is rampant, I need not say who commits more crimes here.
The colored population is also predominantly stupid, but they are better than blacks.
I definitely do not know what will be here within a decade, I noticed a big difference in the last 10 years.
Jews occupy all the most important points of the country, are over-represented in the media, with 3 of 8 anchors the largest major television station in the country are Jews. It’s a small example.
Besides them, the population is stupid and believe that races do not exist and the guilt of our failure as a country are the Portuguese colonizers is too good to be denied. They are like children who do not have expansive commitment to truth.
It is a brutal country with very high violence, cultural and behavioral vulgarity and where the good, wise or fair are not rewarded.
The Jews appear as largely responsible for introducing the crap Marxist indoctrination begins in schools, where the Holodomor, for example, was erased from history as they paint Nazism with special colors….
Political correctness is almost as intense as in your country, with the difference that here the very stupid people accept it, as I said before, they prefer to believe in the fairy tale multicultural. You know when you do something bad but try to convince yourself that your action was good?
Anon,
What about that Japanese colony located somewhere in Brazil? I bet their productive output is super high.
We didn’t learn about the Holomodor here, too. But we still learnt all of Lenin and Stalins evils of the old USSR. The Jews don’t consider it too threatening because they’ve hijacked our free markets to their smallest workings.
I know you are a different Anon. You living in Brazil, are you pure White or do you have a bit of a mestizo aspect like the previous Anon my whole conversation took?
The 16th century Jews who settled in South American territories fared vastly leaping wealth accumalation over their counterparts up in North America. Because the latitudes of Spanish American settlement was directly on the equator where the best tropical cash crops thrive. And it was just more land too.
Do you know of any villages in Brazil where the whole population are just White Aryan Germans descended from ex Nazis?
Flamethrower,
Brazil has a million and a half of Japanese descent but has several agricultural colonies of them, especially in the state of São Paulo. Yes, they are very technically intelligent. At the entrance to the universities here in my country, there is even a coarse phrase that says:
” To get into college, kill a Japanese”
They are over-represented in college, solely and exclusively on merit (unlike some intelligent people who put their meritless, if you understand me)
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Comunidade_Yuba
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,quadrilha-apavora-colonia-japonesa-no-interior-de-sp,590415,0.htm
(imagine the responsible race…)
I’m predominantly white, there are many who are like me, I mean, we are predominantly white in appearance and genetics, but we have some racial mixing. The whites of my region, usually between 85-90% European genetically, ie, those who declare themselves as white. But has some other genetic research in the state of Rio de Janeiro, for example, in my area, where whites have European ancestry above 95%, which would make them virtually Caucasians.
I define myself as predominantly Caucasoid, because this is the best setting for my racial status. I do not like and did not think proper to define myself as mixed race, because I’m at the limit of two spectrum of race, Caucasoid and the mixed-race as a result, the glass can be half full or half empty for me.
There are communities of Mennonites in Brazil, but do not think that embrace in public the Nazi ideology.
Yes, have some cities in southern Brazil but also in Argentina, where after a few ”experiments”, say the Mengele, there was a sudden increase in births of twins blond with blue eyes. Unfortunately, from what I saw, there exists some non-German mix in the Brazilian city.
In Brazil, it is estimated that more than 10% of the population has some germanic descent(German, Dutch, Swiss and Austrian), since the colonial period. I have cousins with German descent, but I’m not. In the region where I live, also has many descendants of Germans and Italians, but unfortunately no possibility of civilism ethnic is impossible. In Brazil, what matters most is the social class, more than anything else.
There are many crypto Jews in Brazil, as there must be many people around the world with some mixing with Jews, I can even have some ancestrality. This further complicates the domination of them here because we do not know if the Gentiles that they elect to join his gang, are also not on the Jews.
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=cidade+dos+gemeos&biw=1366&bih=639&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=D80tUIEse3L5KE8gSg2oHoAQ&ved=0CEQQsAQ